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Finally watched that GMTV (or whatever it's called) interview with Rees-Mogg and as I suspected he comes across as a bellend. Good luck getting regular joes to vote for someone 1) who holds those views and 2) sounds like a proper toff.

For all the flak Piers Morgan rightly gets, I do quite like the way he interviews. He doesn't seem to give a gooseberry fool who he's talking too, he isn't impressed with their position or status and badgers them until they give an answer. I like to think if I was a political commentator or interviewer I'd do the same.

Preezy wrote:Finally watched that GMTV (or whatever it's called) interview with Rees-Mogg and as I suspected he comes across as a bellend. Good luck getting regular joes to vote for someone 1) who holds those views and 2) sounds like a proper toff.

For all the flak Piers Morgan rightly gets, I do quite like the way he interviews. He doesn't seem to give a gooseberry fool who he's talking too, he isn't impressed with their position or status and badgers them until they give an answer. I like to think if I was a political commentator or interviewer I'd do the same.

Yeah i agree, I don't necessarily agree with a lot of Piers personal views but as an interviewer he is good.

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http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-41198126

Hahahahahaha. Good luck with restoring the executive.

Squinty wrote:http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-41198126

Hahahahahaha. Good luck with restoring the executive.

So there goes that union.

Squinty wrote:http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-41198126

Hahahahahaha. Good luck with restoring the executive.

I have no doubt that Arlene willingly agreed to that to use it in her own talks for leverage. Eat this gooseberry fool sandwich for a billion pounds.

I'll say it again; this government is a shambles unlike any we've seen in modern politics, consisting of a bunch of second stringers that literally do not know what they are doing. Personal politics be damned, if you voted for these arseholes you willingly sacrificed the prosperity of our country for personal strawberry floating gain.

Tafdolphin wrote:I'll say it again; this government is a shambles unlike any we've seen in modern politics, consisting of a bunch of second stringers that literally do not know what they are doing. Personal politics be damned, if you voted for these arseholes you willingly sacrificed the prosperity of our country for personal strawberry floating gain.

To be frank I'm not sure that many would have foreseen what a total shitshow this government was going to become after the most recent election. Although admittedly post Brexit vote certain signs were there.

I'd hope that even dyed in the wool Tories would concede at this point that this is an incredibly weak and ineffectual government.

May is on borrowed time but not sure who is going to follow her.

The big problem with the last election was, well, look at the choices people had. May? Corbyn? Neither of them should be remotely near positions of power. Forget the lesser of two evils, that was basically a choice of whether you wanted the giant dildo you were about to be sodomised with to be lubed with butter or margarine.

I genuinely don't think a Corbyn government would be particularly 'bad' for most average people. The manifesto was pretty popular and off the top of my head it didn't contain policies that far outside the European mainstream.

I'm not sure how you justify the idea that they are 'as bad as each other'. One is too idealistic/naive and might get knocked about a bit by the realities of running a country, the other is a space robot that wants to incinerate all humans.

Corbyn wouldn't be my first choice for Labour leader but it's a pretty easy decision between him and May really, isn't it? From the perspective of a relatively liberal young person on here, at least.

Corbyn is a die hard Brexiteer, far moreso than May & co. The only reason Labour are currently in favour of the single market is because they're not in power. If they were Corbyn would never allow it and he'd likely dismiss anyone on the cabinet who so much as mentioned it.
Corbyn may be 'idealistic' but he'd very happily destroy the foundations of the UK economy to achieve his own ideals, and as we've seen he's more than willing to put his personal ideals ahead of those of the party and the country as a whole.

So in the worst case scenario - based on your assumptions, not current Labour policy - he would have the same 'hard Brexit' policy as May, right? But probably without the hatred of civil liberties and human rights, or wanting to dismantle the NHS, or being so thoroughly anti-immigrant.

So... they aren't just as bad as each other, then?

This dismantling the NHS nonsense really needs to stop.

Denster wrote:This dismantling the NHS nonsense really needs to stop.

So vote Labour

No no denster is right, they aren't dismantling it, they are letting it crumble.

Nonsense.

IIRC weren't Labour planning a similarly hard Brexit but also planning to raise corporation tax? I'm really not certain that would be a great move in this climate despite on principle supporting such progressive taxation.

Lagamorph wrote:Corbyn is a die hard Brexiteer, far moreso than May & co. The only reason Labour are currently in favour of the single market is because they're not in power. If they were Corbyn would never allow it and he'd likely dismiss anyone on the cabinet who so much as mentioned it.
Corbyn may be 'idealistic' but he'd very happily destroy the foundations of the UK economy to achieve his own ideals, and as we've seen he's more than willing to put his personal ideals ahead of those of the party and the country as a whole.

The single market thing is only a transitional move that Corbyn has agreed to for party unity reasons. Labour's plan is still hard Brexit just a bit slower.

lex-man wrote:

Lagamorph wrote:Corbyn is a die hard Brexiteer, far moreso than May & co. The only reason Labour are currently in favour of the single market is because they're not in power. If they were Corbyn would never allow it and he'd likely dismiss anyone on the cabinet who so much as mentioned it.
Corbyn may be 'idealistic' but he'd very happily destroy the foundations of the UK economy to achieve his own ideals, and as we've seen he's more than willing to put his personal ideals ahead of those of the party and the country as a whole.

The single market thing is only a transitional move that Corbyn has agreed to for party unity reasons. Labour's plan is still hard Brexit just a bit slower.

Rocsteady wrote:IIRC weren't Labour planning a similarly hard Brexit but also planning to raise corporation tax? I'm really not certain that would be a great move in this climate despite on principle supporting such progressive taxation.

This is just it, whilst May is being more overt in her disdain for and dismantling of various safety nets in the UK, Corbyn wants to (whether he realises it or not) undermine the systems that actually fund those safety nets. Ultimately they're both going to accomplish the same disastrous result, they just want to go about it in different ways.

Karl wrote:So in the worst case scenario - based on your assumptions, not current Labour policy - he would have the same 'hard Brexit' policy as May, right? But probably without the hatred of civil liberties and human rights, or wanting to dismantle the NHS, or being so thoroughly anti-immigrant.

So... they aren't just as bad as each other, then?

As for civil liberties, let's not forget that Corbyn did not oppose the Investigatory Powers Bill/Snoopers charter, he chose to abstain on it instead and had the rest of the Labour party do the same, ensuring that it went through with a mere 15 votes against. So you certainly can't call Corbyn a champion, or really even a supporter, of civil liberties.