The Politics Thread 3.0

[Return_of_the_STAR]

So I was watching Countryfile this evening ( ) and a Welsh sheep farmer was saying 80% of his money comes from EU subsidies

Bet he voted leave as well. The farmers around here were hugely pro-leave to the point they were putting up billboards in their fields that were near roads.

The reason for that is that British farming benefits less than France, Germany, Spain and Italy. France in particular are the biggest beneficiaries of EU farming subsidies.

[Tomous]

So I was watching Countryfile this evening ( ) and a Welsh sheep farmer was saying 80% of his money comes from EU subsidies

Bet he voted leave as well. The farmers around here were hugely pro-leave to the point they were putting up billboards in their fields that were near roads.

The reason for that is that British farming benefits less than France, Germany, Spain and Italy. France in particular are the biggest beneficiaries of EU farming subsidies.

But they'll be benefitting even less now...

[Moggy]

So I was watching Countryfile this evening ( ) and a Welsh sheep farmer was saying 80% of his money comes from EU subsidies

Bet he voted leave as well. The farmers around here were hugely pro-leave to the point they were putting up billboards in their fields that were near roads.

The reason for that is that British farming benefits less than France, Germany, Spain and Italy. France in particular are the biggest beneficiaries of EU farming subsidies.

But they'll be benefitting even less now...

Some people at my workplace earn more than me so I'd rather my employer didn't pay me at all.

[Grumpy David]

But as we pay more in than we get out, it's entirely possible that the amount of subsidies for agriculture remains the same, or could even increase.

[Rex Kramer]

But as we pay more in than we get out, it's entirely possible that the amount of subsidies for agriculture remains the same, or could even increase.

You're right, it's entirely possible. But deep down we all know it won't.

[Moggy]

But as we pay more in than we get out, it's entirely possible that the amount of subsidies for agriculture remains the same, or could even increase.

You are forgetting that all that extra money is going to the NHS.

[DML]

But as we pay more in than we get out, it's entirely possible that the amount of subsidies for agriculture remains the same, or could even increase.

Its entirely possible, but so is me winning the lottery.

It isn't going to happen though.

[Moggy]

And of course the "we paid in more than we took out!" argument always forgets the economic benefits that we gained from EU membership and the expected hit to the UK economy and therefore the amount of money available to the UK government.

It's like arguing that you are better off because you quit your job and no longer have to pay £2000 a year for the train.

[That]

But as we pay more in than we get out, it's entirely possible that the amount of subsidies for agriculture remains the same, or could even increase.

West Wales and Cornwall wouldn't be EU Convergence Regions in the first place if Westminster were willing to spend this kind of money on them.

On top of Moggy's point above, it has always been obvious that any 'saved' money from the EU fees would have to be spent incentivising businesses to continue to operate in London.

[Moggy]

any 'saved' money from the EU fees would have to be spent incentivising businesses to continue to operate in London.

AKA, you don't have to pay us tax!

[Squinty]

any 'saved' money from the EU fees would have to be spent incentivising businesses to continue to operate in London.

AKA, you don't have to pay us tax!

I was reading a BBC news article the other day where they completed a freedom of information request on the government's letter to Nissan. They got fobbed off pretty much, with government saying the information was nationally sensitive but would be disclosed in the (probably distant) future.

Tax haven here we come.

[Moggy]

any 'saved' money from the EU fees would have to be spent incentivising businesses to continue to operate in London.

AKA, you don't have to pay us tax!

I was reading a BBC news article the other day where they completed a freedom of information request on the government's letter to Nissan. They got fobbed off pretty much, with government saying the information was nationally sensitive but would be disclosed in the (probably distant) future.

Tax haven here we come.

It will be a tax haven for the rich international companies. I doubt local businesses will see much of a tax break.

[TigaSefi]

The six rules set by Labour that Theresa May must meet for Brexit to happen is pointless. They hadn't opposed to a single strawberry floating thing till now. Why start now??

[Moggy]

The six rules set by Labour that Theresa May must meet for Brexit to happen is pointless. They hadn't opposed to a single strawberry floating thing till now. Why start now??

Corbyn is so scared of people saying that he is a coward with no backbone that he is trying to look tough?

[Lagamorph]

If only there had been someone who had tried to put forward an amendment to the article 50 bill giving parliament the final say on any deal. Corbyn could have totally gotten behind that to hold the government to some kind of account.

[Return_of_the_STAR]

I was going to post the same question about labour, the gall of them. To suddenly now try and set out a list of criteria that any deal must meet. It's too late now, you have no say, you've sat on your hands too long, the government can now spend the next two years trying to achieve whatever it wants and settling for whatever it wants to. Labour have no say in the matter anymore.

[Grumpy David]

It's obvious Corbyn is a fan of hard Brexit whilst in charge of a parliamentary party in favour of soft Brexit. It is quite the messy situation to be in!

[Moggy]

I can imagine Corbyn as the sort of bloke that when going for dinner with colleagues says "I don't mind, anywhere will do" and then spends the whole night bitching at the choice that was made.

[Lagamorph]

I can imagine Corbyn as the sort of bloke that when going for dinner with colleagues says "I don't mind, anywhere will do" and then spends the whole night bitching at the choice that was made.

He'd also be one of those banana splits who orders all the most expensive stuff then demands the bill gets split evenly rather than everyone paying for just what they had.

[Preezy]

I hate Corbyn, what a fanny.