The Politics Thread 3.0

[Moggy]

Those students who turn out for him are caught between a rock and a hard place to be fair. But yeah, it's amusing that 99% of the hardcore young Corbyn movement will be strongly pro-EU and he won't even talk about it.

In the election that was true, it was a choice between Brexit May and Brexit Corbyn. Not a hard choice for left leaning people.

Now Corbyn is a massive issue to any lefty Remainer, the Remain support he has should be turning against him while they still have the best part of 5 years to get a decent pro-EU leader in.

Keir Starmer seems to be doing good things but the party seems completely in thrall to Momentum so nobody to the right of Corbyn stands a chance.

Yep.

Hopefully they’ll wake up, but I doubt it.

[Errkal]

I think of Moggy as being Eva Braun.

Who is Hitler?

Gecko obviously as he is our fearless leader.

[Rex Kramer]

Even Borussia Dortmund are now commenting on GR's veer to the far right.

twitter.com/BVB/status/912022055163502593

[Denster]

Once we make Britain great again

We will fight them on the beaches!

[Moggy]

Once we make Britain great again

We will fight them on the beaches!

Denny there thinking he’s Churchill.

Churchill was once a liberal, which counts Denny out.

Denny is more like a poor mans Mussolini. He had his own ideas at one point, but now just goes along with what Uncle Adolf tells him.

[Denster]

Ha ha. True.

Although I'm more of a Stalin fan tbh.

Hey look we're all in this together.


I'm a communist - course I am.






Kill them all!

[BID0]

Labour not debating the Brexit vote on their conference.

It’ll be interesting just how long it takes young Remain supporting Corbynites to realise that Corbyn’s aims are not the same as theirs. You’d have thought they would have noticed by now, but the penny still doesn’t seem to have dropped.

I imagine most young people have decided that affordable education, affordable housing, future job prospects, the planet are more important than fighting older people to stay in the EU. You have to pick your battles, and for people who have no prospects under the current government the only party that is offering them (if you're not living in Scotland) appears to be Corbyn branded Labour.

[Denster]

Good job our future relationship with the biggest source of income and jobs etc isn't intrinsically linked to all those issues.

[Moggy]

Labour not debating the Brexit vote on their conference.

It’ll be interesting just how long it takes young Remain supporting Corbynites to realise that Corbyn’s aims are not the same as theirs. You’d have thought they would have noticed by now, but the penny still doesn’t seem to have dropped.

I imagine most young people have decided that affordable education, affordable housing, future job prospects, the planet are more important than fighting older people to stay in the EU. You have to pick your battles, and for people who have no prospects under the current government the only party that is offering them (if you're not living in Scotland) appears to be Corbyn branded Labour.

That was the case at the last election.

It’d be better to have a Labour leader that would do those things and would support their wish to Remain though.

As Denny says, the economic benefits of the EU would help pay for those things. Corbyn will struggle to pay for everything he promises as it is, good luck being able to do it when we are in an economic recession/depression following our exit from the single market.

[BID0]

Labour were on a whole bunch of political shows this weekend and confirmed that market access would be the point they start from if they were negotiating. Not working from the point of isolating the UK from Europe/the world.

They were the party that proposed transition arrangements while things were being worked out still (versus the alternative we faced: "no deal is better than a bad deal")



We can leave the EU and still trade with them. It just depends what parts you're willing to sacrifice. Conservatives are willing to sacrifice trade it seems to make sure people can't come in to the country. Labour under Corbyn want to protect the trade first (The Corbyn interview even makes mention to EU laws being a potential barrier to things like rail privatisation which is why he wants to leave the EU, but doesn't disagree with other things they do like stand up to corporations/offshore tax havens which is where we are currently headed)

No labour candidate offered the end to austerity apart from Corbyn which is why he has such a following (and it's likely why the Remain portion of voters back him still)

[Squinty]

You can't talk about market access yet. EU calling the shots.

[Moggy]

I’m not watching a 1 hour 25 minute video.

I assume this is the same thing?

Jeremy Corbyn has promised to listen to Labour members' calls to keep the UK in the EU single market - but warned it could hamper the government's ability to protect jobs and invest in industry.

The Labour leader said EU restrictions on state aid and pressure to privatise sectors like rail could cause problems.

He also predicted "a lot" of people would continue to come from the EU to work in the UK after Brexit.

Mr Corbyn was speaking on day one of the Labour conference in Brighton.

...

Asked about his plans beyond this period, Mr Corbyn said the "important priority" was seeking tariff-free trade access to the EU's markets, and that it was necessary to "look very carefully" at the terms of any trade deal to avoid restrictions on state aid, citing the UK's steel industry as an example.

"We need to be quite careful about the powers that we need as national governments," he said.

Mr Corbyn wants to return a number of key industries, including the railways, to public ownership, but says EU competition laws present significant obstacles to that.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41376138

That’s not all that committed to the single market. It looks like Corbyn says he’ll “listen” (it’s not part of the conference though), it’s important (as long as it doesn’t interfere with his plans) and that he’s not all that keen on free movement (“a lot” of people is a meaningless statement).

Corbyn is anti-EU, always has been and still is. I wouldn’t hold out too much hope that he’ll spend much effort on keeping us in the single market.

[Preezy]

More like Cuntbyn amileft

[BID0]

I’m not watching a 1 hour 25 minute video.

I assume this is the same thing?

Pretty much. Except it looks like your article has taken a few choice quotes from Corbyn during The Andrew Marr Show - BBC One - 24th Sept 2017 (0:33-22:43) that I referred to.

You can't talk about market access yet. EU calling the shots.

You can if that's what you want. Both sides say what they want and then the compromises begin. That's how you negotiate something.

Labour would open with we would like to keep open trade and work from there.

Liberal Dems let's have a referendum

Conservatives... I'm not even sure what their starting point was.

[Moggy]

Labour would open with we would like to keep open trade and work from there.

They’d have the advantage of not being Boris/Davis with their “have our cake and eat it” demands, but they’d have to persuade 27 countries that the concessions that Labour want are also in the EU’s interest. I’m not sure the EU would want to change rules just to suit an ex-member state.

Liberal Dems let's have a referendum

Assuming the EU would be open to scrapping the Article 50 letter then I think this is best. Sort out what the deal is (or if there isn’t one!) and then offer it up to the public.

I’m not sure what the Lib Dem plan B is though or even if they have one.

Conservatives... I'm not even sure what their starting point was.

Cake. Eat it.

[Errkal]

At this point the labour option seems to be the most realist and sensible. It is all going to happen but going into it with an aim and seeing where you can and not acting like a banana split is probably a good method to take.

[BID0]

I imagine Labour would be end up with something like Switzerland/Norway/Canada. It's hard to say until they were able to sit down and negotiate and come out with a final deal, but their goal would be to retain the trade and the jobs/industry that rely on it.

It's a shame The Conservatives don't have somebody like Keir Starmer. I've only watched a few interviews with him but he seems like a very intelligent man, somebody who is quite cool and collected and would be prepared to look at the deal from both sides. Qualities that this whole mess really needs.

[Moggy]

Apparently somebody from the German AfD party is going to speak at the UKIP party conference.

Nice to see UKIP going full Nazi.

[That]

Apparently somebody from the German AfD party is going to speak at the UKIP party conference.

Nice to see UKIP going full Nazi.

It's OK, UKIP are irrelevant, the Tories are our far-right party now. ( -but-also- )

[Tineash]

Apparently somebody from the German AfD party is going to speak at the UKIP party conference.

Nice to see UKIP going full Nazi.

It's OK, UKIP are irrelevant, the Tories are our far-right party now. ( -but-also- )

They'll try really hard to get a Dolchstossslegende going when Brexit doesn't deliver the land of milk & honey, but hopefully it won't stick.