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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Garth » Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:32 pm

Can't stand her style of reporting either TBH.

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by Moggy » Tue Sep 26, 2017 7:05 pm

Republic of Ireland to have a referendum on abortion next year.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41400836

Assuming it passes (don’t count on it though, recent events don’t fill me with confidence when it comes to referendums!) then they’ll have abortion and gay marriage. Northern Ireland is really going to be the most backwards place in the whole of Western Europe. :lol: :dread:

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by Garth » Tue Sep 26, 2017 7:07 pm

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Moggy » Tue Sep 26, 2017 7:13 pm

Garth wrote:The only beacon of the Lord's light amidst ye Godless heathens!


:lol:

I just imagine you all look and act like this.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Preezy » Tue Sep 26, 2017 7:20 pm

Bwahaha watching the Labour bods refusing to answer the Channel 4 News guy's questions about Venezuela, such strawberry floating cowards.

Christ I hate politicians.

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by Moggy » Tue Sep 26, 2017 7:25 pm

Meep wrote:I don't think I could honestly endorse Labour for the next election. I am a moderate who believes in the state as a force for good and that free enterprise is important for a well functioning economy. At the moment the main UK parties only allow you to choose one or the other. You can have the failure of the Conservatives austerity programme or the failure of Labour's new spending programme (I support increased spending, but only provided it is invested in the right areas and not liable to run up debt for no long term gain).

Obviously the Tories deserve to be utterly destroyed next time around. Brexit will damage the UK for decades to come and it's their doing. However, I can't see how Labour are going to help matters unless they wise up on their promises and form a coherent plan to remain in the single market.


I pretty much agree with that. Both our major parties are almost unvoteable for me at the moment.

I voted Labour a few months ago based on our local MP being decent and Theresa May being more appalling than Corbyn, but I’m not sure I could vote for a Corbyn led Labour Party again.

Non affiliated centre voters like myself have no realistic options. Except the Lib Dems. So yeah no realistic options. ;)

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by Lagamorph » Tue Sep 26, 2017 11:00 pm

Lucien wrote:Corbyn won't anyway because he's my boy :datass:

Good to know we both agree he's a banana split.

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by Rex Kramer » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:30 am

Lucien wrote:
Meep wrote:I don't think I could honestly endorse Labour for the next election. I am a moderate who believes in the state as a force for good and that free enterprise is important for a well functioning economy. At the moment the main UK parties only allow you to choose one or the other. You can have the failure of the Conservatives austerity programme or the failure of Labour's new spending programme (I support increased spending, but only provided it is invested in the right areas and not liable to run up debt for no long term gain).

Obviously the Tories deserve to be utterly destroyed next time around. Brexit will damage the UK for decades to come and it's their doing. However, I can't see how Labour are going to help matters unless they wise up on their promises and form a coherent plan to remain in the single market.


If Corbyn adopts a plan that'll keep the UK in the single market he'll lose the next election (assuming the Tories don't do that - which they won't if they want to win). Corbyn won't anyway because he's my boy :datass:

Why is there an assumption that the majority of people in the UK want out of the single market?

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by Moggy » Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:48 am

Rex Kramer wrote:
Lucien wrote:
Meep wrote:I don't think I could honestly endorse Labour for the next election. I am a moderate who believes in the state as a force for good and that free enterprise is important for a well functioning economy. At the moment the main UK parties only allow you to choose one or the other. You can have the failure of the Conservatives austerity programme or the failure of Labour's new spending programme (I support increased spending, but only provided it is invested in the right areas and not liable to run up debt for no long term gain).

Obviously the Tories deserve to be utterly destroyed next time around. Brexit will damage the UK for decades to come and it's their doing. However, I can't see how Labour are going to help matters unless they wise up on their promises and form a coherent plan to remain in the single market.


If Corbyn adopts a plan that'll keep the UK in the single market he'll lose the next election (assuming the Tories don't do that - which they won't if they want to win). Corbyn won't anyway because he's my boy :datass:

Why is there an assumption that the majority of people in the UK want out of the single market?


The referendum has been assumed to mean all sorts of things. The question asked was whether we should be in the EU, it said nothing about immigration or single market access. But people constantly assume that it meant that the UK wants out of everything to do with Europe.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by bear » Wed Sep 27, 2017 12:01 pm

Moggy wrote:Republic of Ireland to have a referendum on abortion next year.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41400836

Assuming it passes (don’t count on it though, recent events don’t fill me with confidence when it comes to referendums!) then they’ll have abortion and gay marriage. Northern Ireland is really going to be the most backwards place in the whole of Western Europe. :lol: :dread:

"Interesting" opinion piece about this in the Independent.

twitter.com/h0llyb4xter/status/912717149717827584




Unfortunately the writer seems to have missed the fact that there has to be a referendum as that's literally the only way the current law can be changed. Which is a rather important thing to miss.

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by Knoyleo » Wed Sep 27, 2017 12:05 pm

Lucien wrote:
Rex Kramer wrote:
Lucien wrote:If Corbyn adopts a plan that'll keep the UK in the single market he'll lose the next election (assuming the Tories don't do that - which they won't if they want to win). Corbyn won't anyway because he's my boy :datass:


Why is there an assumption that the majority of people in the UK want out of the single market?


If we have access to the single market: we can't control immigration, have to adopt EU laws, pay a fee, and we'd no longer have a say at EU level. So it's not unlike being in the EU (many would say it's worse).

It would be worse than being a full EU member, but it's still better than pulling out of the single market/customs union completely.

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by Tineash » Wed Sep 27, 2017 12:12 pm

bear wrote:
Unfortunately the writer seems to have missed the fact that there has to be a referendum as that's literally the only way the current law can be changed. Which is a rather important thing to miss.


Can you explain further? Do you mean that it's the only way politically that the Irish parliament will feel able to liberalise abortion laws, or is there something in the Irish constitution?

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by Hexx » Wed Sep 27, 2017 12:16 pm

Tineash wrote:
bear wrote:
Unfortunately the writer seems to have missed the fact that there has to be a referendum as that's literally the only way the current law can be changed. Which is a rather important thing to miss.


Can you explain further? Do you mean that it's the only way politically that the Irish parliament will feel able to liberalise abortion laws, or is there something in the Irish constitution?


Abortion law is in the Irish Consitution (7 or 8th Ammendment IIRC) - although it's not called that. It's called...something.

Parliament can't make laws that conflict, change or re-interpret the constitutions without a referendum I believe.

Edit - Found it.

The Irish Government cannot introduce legislation in Ireland that conflicts with Bunreacht na hEireann (the basic law or Constitution of the country). Sometimes it is necessary therefore, to change or amend the Constitution.

Each time the Government wishes to change or amend the Constitution, it must do it by holding a referendum. A referendum gives the people of Ireland the opportunity to express their opinion and vote for or against the proposed change or amendment.


http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/go ... eland.html

It's the 8th Ammendment - which gives equal rights to born and unborn life, that will be voted on.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Tineash » Wed Sep 27, 2017 12:25 pm

Well then, best to get on with it. But it's going to be a strawberry floating ugly campaign.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Hexx » Wed Sep 27, 2017 12:27 pm

Tineash wrote:Well then, best to get on with it. But it's going to be a strawberry floating ugly campaign.


Have you seen any of the reports from Aus on it's gay marriage referendum?

It's gonna be brutal - scheduling in run up to Pope-Fest? Just making things worse.

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by Tineash » Wed Sep 27, 2017 12:30 pm

Hexx wrote:Have you seen any of the reports from Aus on it's gay marriage referendum?


Yes I have and that's what I was thinking of. Now that is a coward's referendum.

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Hexx » Wed Sep 27, 2017 12:33 pm

In other news - could that into to Corbyn's speech. They're like a cult

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Moggy » Wed Sep 27, 2017 12:40 pm

Can Labour people be friends with Tories?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41381286

strawberry float me, there are some mental people out there. :lol:

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Preezy » Wed Sep 27, 2017 12:52 pm

Hexx wrote:In other news - could that into to Corbyn's speech. They're like a cult

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PostRe: The Politics Thread 3.0
by Knoyleo » Wed Sep 27, 2017 12:54 pm

Moggy wrote:Can Labour people be friends with Tories?

Nobody should be friends with Tories.

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