GRcade Musician's Club - Do You "Do" Music?

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by Green Gecko » Mon Apr 27, 2020 6:59 pm

Victor Mildew wrote:Lovely cheers. Im doing some more recording tomorrow so ill try that out.

I have an ISO of literally hundreds of free VSTs that have disappeared from the web if you want to try as well as a couple of illicit installers of better synthesisers. Most of them will probably still work on Windows.

Managed to get a legit copy of the Arturia Minimoog V some time ago which has always been wonderful. If you want some decent sampled instruments to play it's worth picking up one of the more sensibly priced DAWs.

There are also a couple of plugins that basically act as a platform with individual unlocks and a cloud based account thing, where you can buy individual instruments. Take a look at AddictiveKeys, I'll see what others work in a similar way.

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by Lime » Mon Apr 27, 2020 9:30 pm

I missed the updated in this thread, I've bookmarked it now.

Congratulations Oblomov on the piano! Having a dent is annoying, did you call them up about it?

Oblomov Boblomov wrote:The worst news: I just had a quick go at Fantaisie-Impromptu and what the strawberry float :lol:. If I commit every spare waking moment to practice and pray each day to all gods ever invented to become a pianist twenty orders of
magnitude better than I currently am, I estimate I will be able to play a small fraction of it at 10% speed within about seven years.


:lol: It does feel like that when you first try it! It sounds so nice and inviting too! Play me!

You can do it, just work on some easier pieces first! Listen to recordings of it loads of times too, you'll start to hear/see the patterns. The middle section is far (lol!) easier, and the ending (if I remember correctly) does away with the 8 over 6 rhythm between the left and right hand, and sounds great. Try that! But don't bust up your hands.

And for the love of Jebus don't try to play hands together straight off the bat, it's like trying to juggle kittens.

It's always good to have a long term goal. I've set my long term (several years) sights on Chopin's Ballade no.1 in G minor. There's parts I can play (the first 3-4 pages), but some of it is just :fp:

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PostRe: GRcade Musician's Club - Do You "Do" Music?
by Victor Mildew » Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:19 pm

Green Gecko wrote:
Victor Mildew wrote:Lovely cheers. Im doing some more recording tomorrow so ill try that out.

I have an ISO of literally hundreds of free VSTs that have disappeared from the web if you want to try as well as a couple of illicit installers of better synthesisers. Most of them will probably still work on Windows.

Managed to get a legit copy of the Arturia Minimoog V some time ago which has always been wonderful. If you want some decent sampled instruments to play it's worth picking up one of the more sensibly priced DAWs.

There are also a couple of plugins that basically act as a platform with individual unlocks and a cloud based account thing, where you can buy individual instruments. Take a look at AddictiveKeys, I'll see what others work in a similar way.


Sorry I forgot to reply. Thank you, but I don't quite need that volume of vsts just yet ( I cant play beyond by ear On keyboard) so I really only need a handful of quality instruments to layer up at the moment.

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by Oblomov Boblomov » Wed May 20, 2020 9:58 am

Lime wrote:I missed the updated in this thread, I've bookmarked it now.

Congratulations Oblomov on the piano! Having a dent is annoying, did you call them up about it?

Oblomov Boblomov wrote:The worst news: I just had a quick go at Fantaisie-Impromptu and what the strawberry float :lol:. If I commit every spare waking moment to practice and pray each day to all gods ever invented to become a pianist twenty orders of
magnitude better than I currently am, I estimate I will be able to play a small fraction of it at 10% speed within about seven years.


:lol: It does feel like that when you first try it! It sounds so nice and inviting too! Play me!

You can do it, just work on some easier pieces first! Listen to recordings of it loads of times too, you'll start to hear/see the patterns. The middle section is far (lol!) easier, and the ending (if I remember correctly) does away with the 8 over 6 rhythm between the left and right hand, and sounds great. Try that! But don't bust up your hands.

And for the love of Jebus don't try to play hands together straight off the bat, it's like trying to juggle kittens.

It's always good to have a long term goal. I've set my long term (several years) sights on Chopin's Ballade no.1 in G minor. There's parts I can play (the first 3-4 pages), but some of it is just :fp:

I'd completely forgotten about the dent until re-reading this :lol: I'm just going to act like it's not there and it'll probably come as a nasty surprise several years down the line!

I don't have Fantaisie-Impromptu on proper sheet music, so I'm not working on it at the moment. I'm focusing instead of getting back up to speed with whatever it was ABRSM decided was Grade 8 material many years ago!

Separately: I drunk-purchased a big Einaudi book the other day, as I've enjoyed listening to it and my mum loves the music, so I thought it would be nice to be able to play it for her at some point. However, pretty much the entire book is made up of an endlessly repetitive stream of broken chords/arpeggios and really very dull! It's not satisfying to learn at all.

Overall I am loving the piano so much, though. It is ideal with working from home in lockdown. I have already spent many, many hours at it and it feels great to be back into the swing of things.

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by Lime » Wed May 20, 2020 12:54 pm

Oblomov Boblomov wrote:I'd completely forgotten about the dent until re-reading this :lol: I'm just going to act like it's not there and it'll probably come as a nasty surprise several years down the line!

I don't have Fantaisie-Impromptu on proper sheet music, so I'm not working on it at the moment. I'm focusing instead of getting back up to speed with whatever it was ABRSM decided was Grade 8 material many years ago!

Separately: I drunk-purchased a big Einaudi book the other day, as I've enjoyed listening to it and my mum loves the music, so I thought it would be nice to be able to play it for her at some point. However, pretty much the entire book is made up of an endlessly repetitive stream of broken chords/arpeggios and really very dull! It's not satisfying to learn at all.

Overall I am loving the piano so much, though. It is ideal with working from home in lockdown. I have already spent many, many hours at it and it feels great to be back into the swing of things.


Glad you're enjoying it!

I didn't take many grades so I try not to think about what the grade is of stuff I attempt. I had a few odd lessons every so often since my childhood just to be sure I hadn't developed bad habits and might damage my hands, but other than that, if I like the sound of it I'll have a go at it!

Weirdly, some stuff that sounds 'easy' can be really tricky. I found this, tracked down the sheet music and can play it OK, but I don't know why it just doesn't fall under the fingers easily :x

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXhFMOP3SX0


But I learned the piece below earlier this year, and it's easy by comparison (This is the only recording I can find on the whole internet, he belts it out somewhat, and he does make a ton of 'Les Dawson' mistakes, bless him)
It's a really nostalgic tune from my childhood, we had a player piano roll of exactly this transcription, so it's amazing to now be able to play it by hand.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJkmJfOjqRc

Meanwhile, progress with the Ballade is being made, slowly....

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PostRe: GRcade Musician's Club - Do You "Do" Music?
by blackoutHERO » Wed May 20, 2020 3:20 pm

Anybody have a loop pedal for guitar? If so, any recommendations for a basic 4 track one.

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by Victor Mildew » Thu May 28, 2020 11:47 am

I've nearly 'finished' (you're never finished) recording another song, except I just can't stop myself messing around with it (context) and I'm never happy. The best one ive recorded uses mostly live mic'd up instruments, wheras this uses a lot of pod modelled stuff and I think it shows. Thinking of just using what ive done as a guide track and rerecording the whole thing with my proper guitar amp.

Most stupid thing is, who cares? Nobody is ever going to hear any of it :fp:

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by Squinty » Thu May 28, 2020 3:31 pm

Victor Mildew wrote:I've nearly 'finished' (you're never finished) recording another song, except I just can't stop myself messing around with it (context) and I'm never happy. The best one ive recorded uses mostly live mic'd up instruments, wheras this uses a lot of pod modelled stuff and I think it shows. Thinking of just using what ive done as a guide track and rerecording the whole thing with my proper guitar amp.

Most stupid thing is, who cares? Nobody is ever going to hear any of it :fp:


Have you got stuff up? Would love to have a listen!

I also get like this. I just get to the point where I get sick of working with it and I just gooseberry fool out whatever I have done. The last cover track I done, I grew to absolutely hate. The mix annoyed the hell out of me.

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by Victor Mildew » Thu May 28, 2020 4:03 pm

No, I was planning on getting 10 or so songs done and then putting them out at once to be listened to like an album, but I'm so obsessive over it all that it feels like I'm never going to finish any of them properly. One day I'll listen and think it sounds great, the next I'll think my vocals are terrible and ruin it, another I'll think they're great but the mix is all wrong.

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by Green Gecko » Thu May 28, 2020 9:32 pm

Victor Mildew wrote:I've nearly 'finished' (you're never finished) recording another song, except I just can't stop myself messing around with it (context) and I'm never happy. The best one ive recorded uses mostly live mic'd up instruments, wheras this uses a lot of pod modelled stuff and I think it shows. Thinking of just using what ive done as a guide track and rerecording the whole thing with my proper guitar amp.

Most stupid thing is, who cares? Nobody is ever going to hear any of it :fp:

Have you tried re-amping? Record clean and then run that signal though your guitar amp and record the output using a headphone socket or emulated speaker output, or a microphone. Then you can do whatever you want with a solid performance.

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by Green Gecko » Thu May 28, 2020 9:33 pm

Victor Mildew wrote:No, I was planning on getting 10 or so songs done and then putting them out at once to be listened to like an album, but I'm so obsessive over it all that it feels like I'm never going to finish any of them properly. One day I'll listen and think it sounds great, the next I'll think my vocals are terrible and ruin it, another I'll think they're great but the mix is all wrong.

Just create a 1-3 track EP an then compile them later.

This has actually been done a bunch of times just nobody noticed.

Generally speaking, in BIZ SENSE, nobody cares what you think except the listener. Divorce your work when it's done, and if it's gooseberry fool, it's gooseberry fool or it isn't, who cares, it's done.

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by Victor Mildew » Wed Jun 03, 2020 3:51 pm

Green Gecko wrote:
Victor Mildew wrote:I've nearly 'finished' (you're never finished) recording another song, except I just can't stop myself messing around with it (context) and I'm never happy. The best one ive recorded uses mostly live mic'd up instruments, wheras this uses a lot of pod modelled stuff and I think it shows. Thinking of just using what ive done as a guide track and rerecording the whole thing with my proper guitar amp.

Most stupid thing is, who cares? Nobody is ever going to hear any of it :fp:

Have you tried re-amping? Record clean and then run that signal though your guitar amp and record the output using a headphone socket or emulated speaker output, or a microphone. Then you can do whatever you want with a solid performance.


I've never heard of that, it's sounds like an interesting way to get a 'proper' amp sound.

I was reading about gain staging last night, and it looks like I've been recording my stuff to loud (not clipping but just on the cusp) which definitely explains why I'm finding it hard to get balances right, even using compression.

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by Green Gecko » Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:31 pm

Yeah you need enough headroom in your initial waveform for EQ boosts, limiting, compression and a final multi band compression / limiting plugin with a tad of reverb in your master chain or whatever you do. Check the level at each stage of the signal chain, in Live this is expressed as miniature level in between each audio device/plugin. It's easy to forget that a simple EQ boost can clip your channel (in which case you want to actually cut the other bands not boost the one you feel is too quiet).

You can always just normalise the wave or turn the tracks down in your DAW though, the important thing is getting a good signal to noise ratio in the first place. You can't do anything with a high noise floor or otherwise weak, piffly sound - especially with mics or other sources with a lot of bleed from other sources/instruments/monitors even headphones and clicks can turn up in your recordings after mixing them. If you boost those you're just going to get a load of reverb and ambient crap along with it but very selective EQing can fix it - will probably lose dynamics though.

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