Do you wear a poppy?

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Poppy wearing...

Yes
40
31%
No
87
69%
 
Total votes: 127
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PostRe: Do you wear a poppy?
by Moggy » Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:55 am

jawafour wrote:I'm confused by your response. I replied to Benzin's quote and you quoted that... have I told you to wear a poppy in the past? I usually take the line of "make your own decision and try not to allow others to sway your choice". Of course, listening to the opinion of others helps broaden our own thinking, but it feels best to take a stand if their beliefs stop you from taking your preferred path.


I’ve previously stated my reasons for not wearing one (as you have noted) and you have replied to me in pretty much the same way as you did with Benzin.

I’ll take a stand on some issues, which is what I am doing by buying a poppy but not wearing a poppy. Poppy fascists should strawberry float off and will be told to if they want to ask me “where’s your poppy” like I am committing a crime by not having one on.

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PostRe: Do you wear a poppy?
by jawafour » Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:58 am

Fair enough, Moggy - I don't believe I have ever criticised someone for wearing or not wearing one; we seem to be loudly agreeing that it's personal choice.

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PostRe: Do you wear a poppy?
by Winckle » Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:19 pm

Moggy wrote:
jawafour wrote:I'm confused by your response. I replied to Benzin's quote and you quoted that... have I told you to wear a poppy in the past? I usually take the line of "make your own decision and try not to allow others to sway your choice". Of course, listening to the opinion of others helps broaden our own thinking, but it feels best to take a stand if their beliefs stop you from taking your preferred path.


I’ve previously stated my reasons for not wearing one (as you have noted) and you have replied to me in pretty much the same way as you did with Benzin.

I’ll take a stand on some issues, which is what I am doing by buying a poppy but not wearing a poppy. Poppy fascists should strawberry float off and will be told to if they want to ask me “where’s your poppy” like I am committing a crime by not having one on.

One problem with the name "Poppy Fascists" when used to refer to people who try to publicly shame others who don't wear them, is that what do we call those morons on the previous pages who have poppy badges and swastika tattoos? :lol:

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PostRe: Do you wear a poppy?
by KK » Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:22 pm

I'm surprised there isn't now a recurring YouTube series called Poppy Patrol.

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PostRe: Do you wear a poppy?
by Moggy » Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:23 pm

Winckle wrote:
Moggy wrote:
jawafour wrote:I'm confused by your response. I replied to Benzin's quote and you quoted that... have I told you to wear a poppy in the past? I usually take the line of "make your own decision and try not to allow others to sway your choice". Of course, listening to the opinion of others helps broaden our own thinking, but it feels best to take a stand if their beliefs stop you from taking your preferred path.


I’ve previously stated my reasons for not wearing one (as you have noted) and you have replied to me in pretty much the same way as you did with Benzin.

I’ll take a stand on some issues, which is what I am doing by buying a poppy but not wearing a poppy. Poppy fascists should strawberry float off and will be told to if they want to ask me “where’s your poppy” like I am committing a crime by not having one on.

One problem with the name "Poppy Fascists" when used to refer to people who try to publicly shame others who don't wear them, is that what do we call those morons on the previous pages who have poppy badges and swastika tattoos? :lol:


Poppy Nazis.

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PostRe: Do you wear a poppy?
by Moggy » Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:30 pm

Nemanja Matic says he will not wear a poppy on his Manchester United shirt because it reminds him of when his village was bombed when he was 12.

The bombing, in 1999, was part of a Nato-led offensive to drive out Serbian forces from Kosovo.

Matic was the only United player not wearing a poppy during their 2-1 victory over Bournemouth on Saturday.

The Serb, 30, released a statement on Instagram in which he said he respected the right of people to wear poppies.

But he said he would again not wear one for this weekend's Manchester derby, which will take place on Remembrance Sunday.

In his statement, Matic said: "I recognise fully why people wear poppies, I totally respect everyone's right to do so and I have total sympathy for anyone who has lost loved ones due to conflict.

"However, for me it is only a reminder of an attack that I felt personally as a young, frightened 12-year old boy living in Vrelo, as my country was devastated by the bombing of Serbia in 1999.

"Whilst I have done so previously, on reflection I now don't feel it is right for me to wear the poppy on my shirt.

"I do not want to undermine the poppy as a symbol of pride within Britain or offend anyone, however, we are all a product of our own upbringing and this is a personal choice for the reasons outlined.

"I hope everyone understands my reasons now that I have explained them and I can concentrate on helping the team in the games that lie ahead."

The Royal British Legion said "the decision to wear the poppy must be a matter of personal choice".

Elsewhere, the Football Association has warned Stoke City's James McClean over his use of an offensive word in a social media post after he was abused by a section of the crowd for not wearing a poppy during Saturday's 0-0 draw with Middlesbrough.

The 29-year-old described some of the Championship club's fans as "uneducated cavemen".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46099843


Stoke City winger James McClean has been warned by the Football Association over his use of an offensive word in a social media post.

McClean used the word in a post where he spoke of abuse he has received over refusing to wear a poppy and in which he called some Stoke fans "cavemen".

The 29-year-old also wrote a follow-up post reacting to news the FA was investigating.

In that he wrote: "The FA are investigating, for exactly what?"

Republic of Ireland international McClean also claimed the FA "turn a blind eye" to his "years" of abuse he has received.

"Week in, week out for the past seven years I get constant sectarian abuse, death threats, objects being thrown, chanting which is heard loud and clear every week which my family, wife and kids have to listen to," he wrote.

"They turn a blind eye and not a single word or condemnation of any sort."

McLean wrote the first of his social media posts on Saturday, responding to a section of the home crowd abusing him for not wearing a poppy during Saturday's draw with Middlesbrough.

He has previously explained why he does not wear a poppy, and Stoke issued a statement before Saturday's 0-0 draw in the Championship confirming his stance had not changed.

In his post on Instagram McClean said: "Your abuse, your throwing things, your booing, do your worst."

But he also thanked those Stoke fans who "are actually educated and support me".

McClean was born in Londonderry, where in 1972 British soldiers shot dead 13 civilian protestors during 'Bloody Sunday'. A 14th person died later in hospital.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46095169

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PostRe: Do you wear a poppy?
by Blue Eyes » Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:32 pm

Moggy wrote:
Nemanja Matic says he will not wear a poppy on his Manchester United shirt because it reminds him of when his village was bombed when he was 12.

The bombing, in 1999, was part of a Nato-led offensive to drive out Serbian forces from Kosovo.

Matic was the only United player not wearing a poppy during their 2-1 victory over Bournemouth on Saturday.

The Serb, 30, released a statement on Instagram in which he said he respected the right of people to wear poppies.

But he said he would again not wear one for this weekend's Manchester derby, which will take place on Remembrance Sunday.

In his statement, Matic said: "I recognise fully why people wear poppies, I totally respect everyone's right to do so and I have total sympathy for anyone who has lost loved ones due to conflict.

"However, for me it is only a reminder of an attack that I felt personally as a young, frightened 12-year old boy living in Vrelo, as my country was devastated by the bombing of Serbia in 1999.

"Whilst I have done so previously, on reflection I now don't feel it is right for me to wear the poppy on my shirt.

"I do not want to undermine the poppy as a symbol of pride within Britain or offend anyone, however, we are all a product of our own upbringing and this is a personal choice for the reasons outlined.

"I hope everyone understands my reasons now that I have explained them and I can concentrate on helping the team in the games that lie ahead."

The Royal British Legion said "the decision to wear the poppy must be a matter of personal choice".

Elsewhere, the Football Association has warned Stoke City's James McClean over his use of an offensive word in a social media post after he was abused by a section of the crowd for not wearing a poppy during Saturday's 0-0 draw with Middlesbrough.

The 29-year-old described some of the Championship club's fans as "uneducated cavemen".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46099843


Stoke City winger James McClean has been warned by the Football Association over his use of an offensive word in a social media post.

McClean used the word in a post where he spoke of abuse he has received over refusing to wear a poppy and in which he called some Stoke fans "cavemen".

The 29-year-old also wrote a follow-up post reacting to news the FA was investigating.

In that he wrote: "The FA are investigating, for exactly what?"

Republic of Ireland international McClean also claimed the FA "turn a blind eye" to his "years" of abuse he has received.

"Week in, week out for the past seven years I get constant sectarian abuse, death threats, objects being thrown, chanting which is heard loud and clear every week which my family, wife and kids have to listen to," he wrote.

"They turn a blind eye and not a single word or condemnation of any sort."

McLean wrote the first of his social media posts on Saturday, responding to a section of the home crowd abusing him for not wearing a poppy during Saturday's draw with Middlesbrough.

He has previously explained why he does not wear a poppy, and Stoke issued a statement before Saturday's 0-0 draw in the Championship confirming his stance had not changed.

In his post on Instagram McClean said: "Your abuse, your throwing things, your booing, do your worst."

But he also thanked those Stoke fans who "are actually educated and support me".

McClean was born in Londonderry, where in 1972 British soldiers shot dead 13 civilian protestors during 'Bloody Sunday'. A 14th person died later in hospital.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46095169

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PostRe: Do you wear a poppy?
by jawafour » Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:51 pm

I do wonder why we give so much prominence to the views of a minority of folk who try to claim the poppy symbol - and the act of rememberance itself - for their own unwelcome reasons. The Matic story includes a quote that the poppy fund organisers say it is a personal choice and that is the approach that everyone posting here in GR appears to agree with.

Answering my initial thought, I guess you have to highlight the horrible comments and behaviours in order to highlight - and try to change - such actions, but it feels a shame if that (hopefully!) minority belief caused great impact to our own viewpoint.

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PostRe: Do you wear a poppy?
by Preezy » Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:52 pm

I'm actually a bit disappointed that no-one has tried to reprimand me for not wearing a poppy yet, I've got my reasoning all lined up in my head ready to go :slol:

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PostRe: Do you wear a poppy?
by Drumstick » Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:01 pm

jawafour wrote:I do wonder why we give so much prominence to the views of a minority of folk who try to claim the poppy symbol - and the act of rememberance itself - for their own unwelcome reasons. The Matic story includes a quote that the poppy fund organisers say it is a personal choice and that is the approach that everyone posting here in GR appears to agree with.

Answering my initial thought, I guess you have to highlight the horrible comments and behaviours in order to highlight - and try to change - such actions, but it feels a shame if that (hopefully!) minority belief caused great impact to our own viewpoint.

Whilst you note it is a minority, the undercurrent of nationalism is growing in association with the poppy fund. They evidently believe that it gives them what would seem like a valid reason to start spouting their nonsense. It might be helpful if those in charge of the fund put out statements denouncing the poppy fascists in an attempt to completely disassociate themselves from the movement.

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PostRe: Do you wear a poppy?
by Moggy » Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:03 pm

Drumstick wrote:It might be helpful if those in charge of the fund put out statements denouncing the poppy fascists in an attempt to completely disassociate themselves from the movement.


To be fair, I think they do.

But that doesn’t stop meathead nationalists.

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PostRe: Do you wear a poppy?
by Drumstick » Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:03 pm

Do they? I haven't seen one.

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PostRe: Do you wear a poppy?
by Hyperion » Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:05 pm

Preezy wrote:I'm actually a bit disappointed that no-one has tried to reprimand me for not wearing a poppy yet, I've got my reasoning all lined up in my head ready to go :slol:

Why aren't you wearing a poppy, banana split?

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PostRe: Do you wear a poppy?
by Moggy » Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:09 pm

Drumstick wrote:Do they? I haven't seen one.


In the story I posted above:

The Royal British Legion said "the decision to wear the poppy must be a matter of personal choice".


On their website:

Wearing a poppy is a personal choice and reflects individual and personal memories. It is not compulsory but is greatly appreciated by those it helps – our beneficiaries: those currently serving in our Armed Forces, veterans, and their families and dependants.

https://www.britishlegion.org.uk/rememb ... the-poppy/

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PostRe: Do you wear a poppy?
by Drumstick » Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:19 pm

That isn't actively denouncing the poppy fascists of our society.

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PostRe: Do you wear a poppy?
by Corazon de Leon » Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:23 pm

No, it's a nice disclaimer and that but it would be good to see the British Legion actively encouraging people not to be twats. If anything the latter statement could be almost inflammatory - "You don't have to wear one, but we think you should," almost.*


*I don't see it this way, but I can see how it could be.

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PostRe: Do you wear a poppy?
by Moggy » Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:28 pm

Drumstick wrote:That isn't actively denouncing the poppy fascists of our society.


It tells people that it is just a choice and I don't think they should have to do anymore. I am not sure that the British Legion are ever going to go out marching and demanding people stop telling people to buy/wear poppies.

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PostRe: Do you wear a poppy?
by Dual » Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:51 pm

Blue Eyes wrote:This should not be talked about at all. It's ludicrous that it's still a discussion.

1. If you want to wear a poppy, wear a strawberry floating poppy.
2. If you don't want to wear a poppy, don't wear a strawberry floating poppy.
3. If you care whether someone wears one or not, you're an idiot.

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PostRe: Do you wear a poppy?
by Moggy » Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:57 pm

We just had an email about poppies (Ian is the security guard/receptionist).

Hi

Ian has locked this away as a roguish looking chap has been in twice today and seems to be fixated by it, so it’s only a matter of time…

You can still buy a poppy from Ian – just ask him!


I am unsure if the roguish looking chap is planning to steal the poppies or whether he is just making sure that people are buying and wearing them. ;)

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PostRe: Do you wear a poppy?
by jawafour » Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:09 pm

Drumstick wrote:That isn't actively denouncing the poppy fascists of our society.

Not every organisation has to actively denounce fascists all of the time. Think of the - absolutely incorrect, in my view - point that some people made about Muslim communities in that they were not "doing enough" in denouncing terrorists who happened to be Muslim.

In my eyes, this is a society issue rather than singularly an age, belief or culture issue. Oafs try to hijack things in order to gain greater awareness by association. One of the more horririfying things about, say, groups like the BNP is that they seek to attach themselves to desired scenarios or representations in order to gain acceptance. We can all rightly decry oafs making obviously disagreeable comments or actions, but where the BNP posts leaflets about helping the elderly and improving schools, all under a claim to a national flag, that is - regrettably- far more likely to be accepted by society.


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