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Re: Do you wear a poppy?

Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2020 8:23 pm
by jawa
As a rule of thumb, I'd suggest that if you want to wear one, wear one. If not, don't. If you want to wear one, it's probably best to establish in your own mind your reasons for this and then ignore the views of other people who may try and imply the symbol means other reasons.

Re: Do you wear a poppy?

Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2020 8:30 pm
by Vermilion
Karl_ wrote:I haven't worn one in quite a few years now. I avoid it because it's widely interpreted a symbol of patriotism. I think the important thing is to remember that war is horrific, and that we have a collective responsibility to avoid war and the conditions and movements that lead to war. I think that message has been undermined by the politicisation and ritualisation of the poppy as a symbol. While it seems to get worse every year, it's been like this since at least Thatcher (who led a tabloid campaign in favour of the red poppy against people who wear white poppies).

I'm theoretically happy to wear a white one, but it seems like more trouble than it's worth. I also don't mind buying a poppy (keeping it in my pocket) if I see them selling it, just to support the charity. (This year I'm unlikely to be out and about though, obviously...)

More importantly (I think anyway), around this time of year when the issue comes up, I'll inevitably spend time reflecting on how awful war is, and the drastic change of course we need if we're to avoid further devastation through war.


I do agree that the poppy does seem to have been politicised in some quarters, and it saddens me as such behaviour does take away the true meaning of wearing one which was always meant to be a simple act of remembrance.

For those who wish to experience the proper non-political side to the poppy, I would recommend (when things return to normal) a visit to the Flanders Fields Museum and Menin Gate in Ypres (along with attending the last post which takes place daily there at 8pm), i've done it a few times over the years and i have always found it highly educational, and deeply moving.

Re: Do you wear a poppy?

Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2020 8:43 pm
by Drumstick
Nothing about James McClean in the news... Yet.

Re: Do you wear a poppy?

Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2020 8:53 pm
by That
Vermilion wrote:For those who wish to experience the proper non-political side to the poppy, I would recommend (when things return to normal) a visit to the Flanders Fields Museum and Menin Gate in Ypres (along with attending the last post which takes place daily there at 8pm), i've done it a few times over the years and i have always found it highly educational, and deeply moving.

Yes, for sure. I've only been around Ypres once, but like you say, I found it very moving.

Re: Do you wear a poppy?

Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2020 8:54 pm
by Moggy
Knoyleo wrote:I'm expecting a lot of giant poppies in windows. Bonus points if they're painted by the kids.


twitter.com/Kellythechamp/status/1313765035139895297


Re: Do you wear a poppy?

Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2020 9:11 pm
by Vermilion
Moggy wrote:
Knoyleo wrote:I'm expecting a lot of giant poppies in windows. Bonus points if they're painted by the kids.


twitter.com/Kellythechamp/status/1313765035139895297



Oh ffs! :fp:

Re: Do you wear a poppy?

Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2020 11:37 am
by Victor Mildew
Why does everything we do have to be hijacked by some social media twat desperate for attention?

OMFG Tabby just sore ur face book post bout coalerine in a poppy wot a gr8 eye deer!!!

Re: Do you wear a poppy?

Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2020 11:45 am
by Preezy
Its 4 Rembrandts sunday u snowflake

Re: Do you wear a poppy?

Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2020 11:47 am
by Victor Mildew
To answer the question, I'll always give a donation to the people selling poppies but i dont wear them, mainly becuase o don't want to pin things to my clothes.

Re: Do you wear a poppy?

Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2020 12:47 pm
by Rocsteady
jawa wrote:As a rule of thumb, I'd suggest that if you want to wear one, wear one. If not, don't. If you want to wear one, it's probably best to establish in your own mind your reasons for this and then ignore the views of other people who may try and imply the symbol means other reasons.

You could say this about literally anything though. Just because you don't want it to be politicised, doesn't mean that it isn't.

Re: Do you wear a poppy?

Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2020 12:47 pm
by Cuttooth
I'd be much more supportive of wearing a poppy if this country hadn't moved so deeply into making remembrance this act of unquestionable hero worship, to the point that wanting to ensure the military don't commit war crimes is deemed unpatriotic.

Everything seemed to really step up a gear in recent times, first with the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan then ever since the first centennial celebration of the start of the First World War in 2014.

I wish there was more of a campaign to reclaim the symbolism and services of remembrance, to separate out that earnest desire to reflect and learn from history, and the increasingly tacky and toxic displays of celebrating Britain's imperial past.

Re: Do you wear a poppy?

Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2020 1:48 pm
by Balladeer

twitter.com/giantpoppywatch/status/1314211956400644097


Re: Do you wear a poppy?

Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:07 pm
by jawa
Rocsteady wrote:
jawa wrote:As a rule of thumb, I'd suggest that if you want to wear one, wear one. If not, don't. If you want to wear one, it's probably best to establish in your own mind your reasons for this and then ignore the views of other people who may try and imply the symbol means other reasons.

You could say this about literally anything though. Just because you don't want it to be politicised, doesn't mean that it isn't.

I try not to let people take my words or actions and twist the meaning for their own benefit. In this case, I'd hate to allow fascist views to "win" by their claiming of the poppy for their own beliefs. I don't feel we're at a point where most people regard wearing a poppy as being a sign of fascism, war-mongering or other unsavoury ideal.

In terms of some of the perhaps tacky memorabilia that we see, it doesn't really bother me as I guess the people buying it are simply doing so as part of how they choose to participate in remembrance, and it also helps to raise funds for people who have been injured or otherwise affected by war.

Re: Do you wear a poppy?

Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:13 pm
by Green Gecko
Might be a year where I consciously choose not to wear one, but I think I'd rather make an alternative.

Re: Do you wear a poppy?

Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:41 pm
by Vermilion
Victor Mildew wrote:mainly becuase o don't want know how to pin things to my clothes.


FTFY 8-)

Re: Do you wear a poppy?

Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2020 3:00 pm
by Skarjo
Balladeer wrote:

twitter.com/giantpoppywatch/status/1314211956400644097



See, I know that this is horrible. I get it. I understand it.

But if the choice is paying a quid for some shitty paper thing I have to stick in my jacket which results in an 80p donation to an actual charity, or buying this and knowing that 3 quid went to the charity and I get something I might actually use (if I drank gin which I don't because I'm not a 45 year old divorcé) then...

I dunno man.

However, I will never unsee #horrificallymaimed

EDIT; Wait hold on I think this is a joke.

I did not read it carefully.

Re: Do you wear a poppy?

Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2020 3:04 pm
by Skarjo
I regret this.

Re: Do you wear a poppy?

Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2020 3:13 pm
by Victor Mildew
Did you only realise it was a joke when you went to order some?

Re: Do you wear a poppy?

Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2020 3:25 pm
by Rocsteady
The gin is real, the twitter post not

Re: Do you wear a poppy?

Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2020 3:28 pm
by Skarjo
Victor Mildew wrote:Did you only realise it was a joke when you went to order some?


I checked the poppy seed content and realised it was insufficient for #respects.