Do you wear a poppy?

Knoyleo wrote:

Preezy wrote:

Cuttooth wrote:

Preezy wrote:Really hate how they sully the remembrance service with the religious nonsense.

To counter this a little, it's good to see humanist associations being invited to the ceremony this year.

That's a step in the right direction, but I'll only be satisfied when the Archbishop on Wherever doesn't get a platform to spout their bullshit. No-one else gets to say anything at the event, not even the Queen! But we have to listen to some cut drone on about the Almighty Lord and Father and it boils my piss.

Have you tried not watching the coverage of the address by the archbishop?

And have nothing to moan about? Heavens, no!

NickSCFC wrote:The vast majority of war veterans in this country are elderly and are overwhelmingly Christian...

Yes... so? Other folk may well be more broad-minded and look beyond age and religion in recognising those who have been impacted by war.

Remember folks, it’s not good enough to just wear a poppy, it also has to be an ENORMOUS poppy. And don’t you dare wear a coat either.

Preezy wrote:but I'll only be satisfied when the Archbishop on Wherever doesn't get a platform to spout their bullshit. No-one else gets to say anything at the event, not even the Queen! But we have to listen to some cut drone on about the Almighty Lord and Father and it boils my piss.

He's the archbishop though, it's kinda his job to talk religion.

This reminds me of when people criticised the pope for tweeting about Jesus (yes, that really did happen!).

Preezy's point is that the event is about remembrance, not Christianity.

Drumstick wrote:Preezy's point is that the event is about remembrance, not Christianity.

Can I employ you as my official mouthpiece? Far more succinct than my angry ramblings

Drumstick wrote:Preezy's point is that the event is about remembrance, not Christianity.

On that note it’s important to remember the huge numbers of Commonwealth men that fought in WW1 and WW2. That’s another reason to keep any Christianity to a minimum, many of the troops were Hindu, Jewish, Muslim, Sikh and others.

Preezy wrote:

Drumstick wrote:Preezy's point is that the event is about remembrance, not Christianity.

Can I employ you as my official mouthpiece? Far more succinct than my angry ramblings

What's the pay like?

Moggy wrote:

Drumstick wrote:Preezy's point is that the event is about remembrance, not Christianity.

On that note it’s important to remember the huge numbers of Commonwealth men that fought in WW1 and WW2. That’s another reason to keep any Christianity to a minimum, many of the troops were Hindu, Jewish, Muslim, Sikh and others.

Fifteen faiths have had representation at the remembrance event for a number of years:

The Roman Catholic Church
Churches in Communities International representing Free Churches
Methodist Conference
United Reform Church
Baptist Union
Unitarian and Free Christian Churches
Salvation Army
Chief Rabbi
Reform Judaism
Muslim Representative
Hindu Representative
Buddhist Representative
Director of the Sikh Network UK
Greek Orthodox Church Representative
Church of Scotland

For the 2018 service, an additional seven faiths were invited to join:

Jains, Zoroastrians and Copts are among those faiths and beliefs that will now take part in this country’s greatest service to remember and honour the heroes of our past – making the National Service of Remembrance more reflective of modern Britain.

The addition of several smaller faith communities like Mormons, Baha’ís and Spiritualists, will reflect the significant but little-known contribution made by minority ethnic communities to Britain’s war efforts.

It also sends a strong signal throughout Britain and the world that this country values the contribution of its diverse communities.

In addition, the non-religious Humanist organisation were also invited to join this year.

Source: UK government

twitter.com/raaleh/status/1061606442971611137

Tweet doesn't work as you can see what the girls are wearing, it's a TV channel. FAIL.

jawafour wrote:...religious representation stuff...

And yet they only had the Christian doing the talking. The downsides of having a state religion, I guess. Maybe next year they should let the Scientologists have a go instead.

Did May not go to this remembrance thing in Paris with the other world leaders?

jawafour wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Drumstick wrote:Preezy's point is that the event is about remembrance, not Christianity.

On that note it’s important to remember the huge numbers of Commonwealth men that fought in WW1 and WW2. That’s another reason to keep any Christianity to a minimum, many of the troops were Hindu, Jewish, Muslim, Sikh and others.

Fifteen faiths have had representation at the remembrance event for a number of years:

The Roman Catholic Church
Churches in Communities International representing Free Churches
Methodist Conference
United Reform Church
Baptist Union
Unitarian and Free Christian Churches
Salvation Army
Chief Rabbi
Reform Judaism
Muslim Representative
Hindu Representative
Buddhist Representative
Director of the Sikh Network UK
Greek Orthodox Church Representative
Church of Scotland

For the 2018 service, an additional seven faiths were invited to join:

Jains, Zoroastrians and Copts are among those faiths and beliefs that will now take part in this country’s greatest service to remember and honour the heroes of our past – making the National Service of Remembrance more reflective of modern Britain.

The addition of several smaller faith communities like Mormons, Baha’ís and Spiritualists, will reflect the significant but little-known contribution made by minority ethnic communities to Britain’s war efforts.

It also sends a strong signal throughout Britain and the world that this country values the contribution of its diverse communities.

In addition, the non-religious Humanist organisation were also invited to join this year.

Source: UK government

What does “representation” mean? They let a Rabbi sit in the back row while the Archbishop tells everyone about Christ? Or do they get the same amount of time and coverage as the Christian faiths?

None of these faiths should have any input or representation because "remembrance" has nothing to do with religion. It is about remembering the fallen, not remembering which book they worshipped.

Hyperion wrote:Did May not go to this remembrance thing in Paris with the other world leaders?

May attended a remembrance event in France on Friday alongside Macron. Whilst she attended the U.K. remembrance events yesterday, the U.K. was represented by the ambassador and senior minister to France at remembrance events in France on Saturday evening and yesterday.

Source: The Connexion

Drumstick wrote:None of these faiths should have any input or representation because "remembrance" has nothing to do with religion. It is about remembering the fallen, not remembering which book they worshipped.

Come on, I'm not religious but I can appreciate how fundamental faith can be in remembering the dead. If it helps people to remember the fallen then let it, especially if that's what so many of them would have wanted.

I don't agree with Christianity being given official leadership in the event by the state, but remembrance isn't the place to pick a battle over the separation of church and state.

OrangeRKN wrote:

Drumstick wrote:None of these faiths should have any input or representation because "remembrance" has nothing to do with religion. It is about remembering the fallen, not remembering which book they worshipped.

Come on, I'm not religious but I can appreciate how fundamental faith can be in remembering the dead. If it helps people to remember the fallen then let it, especially if that's what so many of them would have wanted.

I don't agree with Christianity being given official leadership in the event by the state, but remembrance isn't the place to pick a battle over the separation of church and state.

I broadly agree. The vast majority of WW1 and WW2 dead would have been religious so I’m not against their remembrance having some religious tones. But it shouldn’t be 98% CoE with the other religions given a tiny little afterthought, keep them all equal or don’t do religion at all.

I saw a bloke walking his dogs and they were wearing poppies. Are we expected to think strawberry floating dogs are sad about WWI now??

OrangeRKN wrote:

Drumstick wrote:None of these faiths should have any input or representation because "remembrance" has nothing to do with religion. It is about remembering the fallen, not remembering which book they worshipped.

Come on, I'm not religious but I can appreciate how fundamental faith can be in remembering the dead. If it helps people to remember the fallen then let it, especially if that's what so many of them would have wanted.

I reckon that can be done in private. Either it's all equal or bin it off considering religion doesn't pay an important part in the majority of lives in 2018 Britain.

Moggy wrote:What does “representation” mean? They let a Rabbi sit in the back row while the Archbishop tells everyone about Christ? Or do they get the same amount of time and coverage as the Christian faiths?

"Representation" means that the twenty-two religious groups and one secular group were invited to attend and participate in the remembrance event.

I can't locate specific role details but I have traced an article by the representative for the Muslim faith at the 2016 remembrance service, Qari Muhammad Anim, who speaks of attending "along with other faith leaders to remember those who gave their lives for our country. As we are united in remembrance, they were united in their sacrifice – men and women of all faiths and of none." Personally, I have no strong opinion on whether religious representatives should have a "talking" role at remembrance events, although I do believe that representation has significantly expanded in recent years. In particular, secular groups have campaigned for some time to be represented at the service and, for the first time this year, they were.