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by shy guy 64 » Mon Jan 27, 2020 7:33 pm

i like all three of them but i think they need a fair amount of work, i wouldnt say that 3 companions cant work cause i feel it worked in the classic series, i do like when theres more than one companion

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by rinks » Tue Jan 28, 2020 10:39 am

Hate the Judoon. Their language is so cringe-inducing. Like the name of the character that Warwick Davis played.

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by shy guy 64 » Tue Jan 28, 2020 12:33 pm

So chibbnal is quoted as saying that jo martin is definitively the doctor, ruling out parallel universes and any kind of trickery, i think we are heading for major retcon

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by Somebody Else's Problem » Tue Jan 28, 2020 12:41 pm

shy guy 64 wrote:So chibbnal is quoted as saying that jo martin is definitively the doctor, ruling out parallel universes and any kind of trickery, i think we are heading for major retcon


Christ, the fedora-wearing misogynists that lost their minds when a woman was cast as The Doctor, are going to absolutely lost it when it turns out the doctor was a black woman all along.

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by Moggy » Tue Jan 28, 2020 1:01 pm

shy guy 64 wrote:So chibbnal is quoted as saying that jo martin is definitively the doctor, ruling out parallel universes and any kind of trickery, i think we are heading for major retcon


Does that rule out parallel universes? A Doctor from another dimension would still be The Doctor?

I don't know enough Who lore to have an opinion, but I've seen people saying that we never saw the regeneration of Troughton and so this new Doctor might fit in there?

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by Garth » Tue Jan 28, 2020 2:43 pm

Chibnall quotes regarding the surprise Doctor:
“The important thing to say is – she is definitively the Doctor,” he explained. “There's not a sort of parallel universe going on, there's no tricks.

"Jo Martin is the Doctor, that's why we gave her the credit at the end which all new Doctors have the first time you see them. John Hurt got that credit.”

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Chibnall said that Martin, who becomes the first black actor in the iconic role, is not playing a fake or phoney version.

“There will be answers to some of these mysteries this series. But as ever with Doctor Who, answers often reveal new questions. It's all very deliberate.”

He said that he was not scared by those who said he should not meddle with the so-called Whoniverse.

“We’re telling an ongoing story and there are plenty of things in Doctor Who that change all the time but I’m very aware of the history and very aware of the continuity.

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by Moggy » Tue Jan 28, 2020 2:48 pm

Hmm so Martin is either a "forgotten" regeneration between two of the known Doctor's or is a future Doctor who has had her memory of Whittaker wiped?

I assume the reveal will be tied in to the Master and Gallifrey storyline.

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by Hexx » Tue Jan 28, 2020 3:12 pm

Garth wrote:Chibnall quotes regarding the surprise Doctor:
“The important thing to say is – she is definitively the Doctor,” he explained. “There's not a sort of parallel universe going on, there's no tricks.

"Jo Martin is the Doctor, that's why we gave her the credit at the end which all new Doctors have the first time you see them. John Hurt got that credit.”

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Chibnall said that Martin, who becomes the first black actor in the iconic role, is not playing a fake or phoney version.

“There will be answers to some of these mysteries this series. But as ever with Doctor Who, answers often reveal new questions. It's all very deliberate.”

He said that he was not scared by those who said he should not meddle with the so-called Whoniverse.

“We’re telling an ongoing story and there are plenty of things in Doctor Who that change all the time but I’m very aware of the history and very aware of the continuity.


I'm really worried that despite all the interesting questions/set up they'll utterly flub the landing

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by Balladeer » Tue Jan 28, 2020 3:52 pm

They’ve definitely got form in that.

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by The Watching Artist » Tue Jan 28, 2020 3:57 pm

Unless he goes down the whole there was a regen cycle before Hartnell thing which I reeeeeeeaaaaaally don't like the idea of. I dont mind the show tapping into that time period with hints but the mystery of what happened before is such a key part of the show for me. The Moff threatened this with the name stuff, what happened in Listen and when Clara popped up on Gallifrey but he always maintained the mystique. The whole Doctors name thing was basically using the mystery and then shifting that into the War Doctor not being called the Doctor.

I'll explain the 2-3 theory for those that dont know. It basically stems from not seeing the regen and massive a continuity error. :lol: So the 2nd Doctor is put on trial by the Timelords and is basically executed. They force a regen and dump him on Earth where he is exiled and sort of works for the Timelords in a loose way. It looks like this-

(Dont watch this Pedz I know it hurts you)



Most importantly this is when the Timelords FIRST APPEAR and when the show invents them. When the show came back the following year its like this-



However part of the trial has the Doctors companions sent back to their own time with their memories wiped of their time traveling with the Doctor. When 2 comes back in the Five Doctors they even use this to solve a trap where the "ghosts" of his companions appear and remember what they shouldn't. But how does the Doctor remember this if he was immediately regenerated and exiled? Then in the Two Doctors when 2 comes back and meets Sixie things get seriously stuffed. The 2nd Doctor and Jamie are sent by the Timelords to investigate the goings on in a space station. Jamie should have no idea about the Timelords and they shouldn't even know where the Doctor is. Same with the Three Doctors. So the fan theory invented to patch this is that before the exile the Timelords use the 2nd Doctor as an agent of sorts. Its potentially hinted at in this bit from the 5 Doctors where he says that he is bending the rules being there.



I think the writer, Terrance Dicks, knew it didnt make much sense and put that in like a really early Timey Wimey explaination so that we can have some fun with all the Doctors! But the stuff in the Two Doctors is simply a massive cock up tbh. :lol: Its known as the Season 6B theory- https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Season_6B Where the 2nd Doctor has additional stories set after his trial but before his exile.

Long story short Doctor Ruth could be a version set after "6B" and before 3 takes over. But this dicks over the numbering and the number of regens the Doctor has had which is pretty strawberry floating important for The Time of the Doctor. I find it laughable that this could be the solution to the Ruth Doctor mystery. If people moaned about the Moff using a lot of continuity references (despite him reintroducing anything from the classic run first) then this would be madness on another scale. :lol:

If we take Chibbers at face value and assume he isn't lying to protect the stories (totally fair thing to do imo) then I can only assume its a future Doctor (I don't dare think about pre Hartnell :dread: ) with memory issues. Which would be cool as I've always wanted a future Doctor story but in my head they basically turned up to save the day having failed to do so with the previous incarnation. Not whatever the heck is going on now. :lol:

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by Hexx » Tue Jan 28, 2020 4:04 pm

You are such a nerd

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by The Watching Artist » Tue Jan 28, 2020 4:06 pm

Hexx wrote:You are such a nerd

and you love it :D

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by The Watching Artist » Tue Jan 28, 2020 4:15 pm

Thought I'd share this what with the Nicholas Parsons news. He was very good in the Curse of Fenric.



Just as season 26 came out on blu ray to.

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by Pedz » Tue Jan 28, 2020 4:22 pm

You know on Classic Who where Romana was changing her look on the TARDIS? Each time she switching it up does that count as a new regen?

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by The Watching Artist » Tue Jan 28, 2020 4:54 pm

Pedz wrote:You know on Classic Who where Romana was changing her look on the TARDIS? Each time she switching it up does that count as a new regen?

You'll have to ask Douglas Adams that.

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by Pedz » Tue Jan 28, 2020 4:57 pm

The Watching Artist wrote:
Pedz wrote:You know on Classic Who where Romana was changing her look on the TARDIS? Each time she switching it up does that count as a new regen?

You'll have to ask Douglas Adams that.


Oh, I think he's on my speed dial. Gimme a sec.

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by The Watching Artist » Tue Jan 28, 2020 5:20 pm

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Pedz wrote:You know on Classic Who where Romana was changing her look on the TARDIS? Each time she switching it up does that count as a new regen?

You'll have to ask Douglas Adams that.


Oh, I think he's on my speed dial. Gimme a sec.

Let me know what he says plz

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by shy guy 64 » Tue Jan 28, 2020 5:27 pm

The Watching Artist wrote:Unless he goes down the whole there was a regen cycle before Hartnell thing which I reeeeeeeaaaaaally don't like the idea of. I dont mind the show tapping into that time period with hints but the mystery of what happened before is such a key part of the show for me. The Moff threatened this with the name stuff, what happened in Listen and when Clara popped up on Gallifrey but he always maintained the mystique. The whole Doctors name thing was basically using the mystery and then shifting that into the War Doctor not being called the Doctor.

I'll explain the 2-3 theory for those that dont know. It basically stems from not seeing the regen and massive a continuity error. :lol: So the 2nd Doctor is put on trial by the Timelords and is basically executed. They force a regen and dump him on Earth where he is exiled and sort of works for the Timelords in a loose way. It looks like this-

(Dont watch this Pedz I know it hurts you)



Most importantly this is when the Timelords FIRST APPEAR and when the show invents them. When the show came back the following year its like this-



However part of the trial has the Doctors companions sent back to their own time with their memories wiped of their time traveling with the Doctor. When 2 comes back in the Five Doctors they even use this to solve a trap where the "ghosts" of his companions appear and remember what they shouldn't. But how does the Doctor remember this if he was immediately regenerated and exiled? Then in the Two Doctors when 2 comes back and meets Sixie things get seriously stuffed. The 2nd Doctor and Jamie are sent by the Timelords to investigate the goings on in a space station. Jamie should have no idea about the Timelords and they shouldn't even know where the Doctor is. Same with the Three Doctors. So the fan theory invented to patch this is that before the exile the Timelords use the 2nd Doctor as an agent of sorts. Its potentially hinted at in this bit from the 5 Doctors where he says that he is bending the rules being there.



I think the writer, Terrance Dicks, knew it didnt make much sense and put that in like a really early Timey Wimey explaination so that we can have some fun with all the Doctors! But the stuff in the Two Doctors is simply a massive cock up tbh. :lol: Its known as the Season 6B theory- https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Season_6B Where the 2nd Doctor has additional stories set after his trial but before his exile.

Long story short Doctor Ruth could be a version set after "6B" and before 3 takes over. But this dicks over the numbering and the number of regens the Doctor has had which is pretty strawberry floating important for The Time of the Doctor. I find it laughable that this could be the solution to the Ruth Doctor mystery. If people moaned about the Moff using a lot of continuity references (despite him reintroducing anything from the classic run first) then this would be madness on another scale. :lol:

If we take Chibbers at face value and assume he isn't lying to protect the stories (totally fair thing to do imo) then I can only assume its a future Doctor (I don't dare think about pre Hartnell :dread: ) with memory issues. Which would be cool as I've always wanted a future Doctor story but in my head they basically turned up to save the day having failed to do so with the previous incarnation. Not whatever the heck is going on now. :lol:


I said some similar stuff when musing onnit myself

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by The Watching Artist » Tue Jan 28, 2020 5:36 pm

shy guy 64 wrote:I said some similar stuff when musing onnit myself

One of the things that doesn't work for the 6B Ruth Doctor theory is she doesn't know what the Sonic Screwdriver is. 2 introduces it.

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by jawa4 » Tue Jan 28, 2020 5:50 pm

I just watched the "Fugitive of the Judoon" episode and I really enjoyed it; it felt, to me, like it was definitely one of the best episodes so far for the thirteenth Doctor.

The plot was a little tricky to follow - and, I suspect, contained many intricacies for the more knowledgeable Who fans - but it was interesting and exciting throughout.


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