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PostDonation drive urgently needed
by Green Gecko » Mon Jun 03, 2019 6:33 pm

I'm happy to put £3, but as a separate issue I have probably racked up a deficit I need to recoup anyway, so if we ask for donations to cover that we can put the spare proceeds towards testing a new environment. Or I can raise funds towards a fixed amount to clear down my ledger with GRcade as it stands so to speak, and then set up our new hosting environment and £2 subscription voluntary etc.

Edit: just done a quick sum on top of the ledger to last Jan (so when I did my personal tax assessment) and GRcade currently owes me about £103.56 plus .UK domain renewal so £109.55 needs to be raised. The next server payment is 25/06 at £38.39 so the balance on 30/06 will be -£147.94. We can add the cost of testing a concurrent server environment to that donations target.

So on the plus side not a huge debt, obviously it would be good to get this down and well I would like to think what I can use that £150 of my own money for :slol:

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PostRe: Server migration
by Karl_ » Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:10 pm

I of course absolutely agree with you Ben that you should be able to cover the £150 you've generously paid out. I'll split that post into a new thread to help with this.

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PostRe: Donation drive urgently needed
by Pedz » Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:27 pm

I'll chuck some money towards you guys. Can't say how much, but I'll help out.

Oh, I must add, I expect sucky sucky from Karl.

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PostRe: Donation drive urgently needed
by Karl_ » Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:30 pm

wait, i can get paid for that? i've been giving it away for free!

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PostRe: Donation drive urgently needed
by Green Gecko » Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:31 pm

Just to point out, while this isn't abnormal (a lot of people have personally covered deficits in GRcade's past) it is very easy to let it happen because the monthly cost is so high and I'm fortunate enough to have a (VERY small) overdraft and some income, but am by no means rich, actually I am technically below the poverty line. What would normally happen is after we slowly creep into a deficit despite some regular contributions (made by BACs etc), it becomes clear we need to top up the GRcade budget. And then we normally get an influx of contributions that stave this off for up to a year or even longer than that, making it a non-issue for absolutely ages. It's not at all efficient, and something we can definitely improve on, but that's what happens once in a blue moon (in fact probably does have some strange alignment with the lunar calendar).

However I do occasionally fail to notice I am actually paying for GRcade to exist at my own cost because I am so used to simply keeping-on, so, all that said, obviously I would welcome any and all contributions even if it's just £1 per member and anything excess goes into paying the server for the following "x" months because of course we can't predict how generous people are going to be (and they usually are which is lovely!). And while we could "cap" the donations at a certain amount, we certainly can't force people not to pay us more than we need, if that person knows it is going to cover future use (and it does). To do that would literally involve presenting people with an error message that says, "Thank you, but we don't need any extra funds in case of contingency, BYE!"

While we do run Google Ads, due to my very restricted policy on having one ad only for guests, compared to similar sites, it makes about £120 per year, with payments typically coming in once every 6 months (this is impossible to predict), so it only covers about 30% of our costs at best.

The costs are going to go down when we move server, so see other topics about that.

Anyone can make a donation via BACs PMing me or via PayPal at the address: ben@grcade.co.uk or with this link (it will show up as BJUM which is my sole tradership): Send money to your forum overlord here

(Please DO NOT select "goods and services", your money will be unwittingly embezzled by PayPal as there is no commercial gain or product/service being sold, in other words this is a gift and you trust it will be used responsibly. Also please, if you can, send this amount in GDP i.e. British Pounds, not US or Canadian dollars etc. PayPal will automatically deduct any exchange rate that applies, it simply reduces admin for me by having to do it anyway.)

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PostRe: Donation drive urgently needed
by jawafour » Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:11 pm

GG... dude... we shouldn't be in a position where you have had to pay these GR costs out of your own pocket. I recall, a couple of years ago, that we held a forum vote where - at the time - around 20 people were willing to pay a small monthly amount of £2 each to help cover costs; equating to £40 a month, £480 a year.

Yeah, later in that same thread I cried off due to being pissed off by (some) posts in the political threads but, hey, that's life.

If the costs of running GR are £360 per annum (based on your indication of ad revenue of circa £120 covering around 30% of the total cost) then the "£2 a month" approach would cover costs and enable you to be reimbursed for your "loan" of £150.

Gecko, I'm posting this with love and respect - this could be an approach worth pursuing rather than being in this situation. I propose to create another "vote" thread (three days max) to establish if we have around 20 people willing to support this approach.

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PostRe: Donation drive urgently needed
by Green Gecko » Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:27 pm

That's already been suggested in other topics in this category and I'm willing to implement it, there are some minor costs involved because I'm not really a developer anymore and nobody else is going to do it but I can sort it out with a combination of the GRcade shop and Stripe. What I can't really do is the magically updating donations metre thing, or at least one that doesn't look gooseberry fool and is implemented into the site properly (plus I personally feel that's a waste of real estate unless it only pops up from time to time or something).

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PostRe: Donation drive urgently needed
by Lagamorph » Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:38 pm

We could just set up a £2/month standing order or something, then there's no admin really on your end beyond keeping track of the money coming in.

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PostRe: Donation drive urgently needed
by jawafour » Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:38 pm

I'd propose we do whatever method is simplest; I recall Stripe being mentioned before but - certainly at that time - folk weren't too familiar with it. Would it be possible to do a PayPal thing where we just bung the money to your PayPal account each month?

Edit: Or, as Laga says, a standing order.

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PostRe: Donation drive urgently needed
by Green Gecko » Mon Jun 03, 2019 10:50 pm

Sure no problem, people can send me one off PayPal payments, but for a more automated solution, other things are better.

Stripe is exactly the same as PayPal in terms of security but cheaper and using a debit/credit card. It's a card payment processor with an integrated subscription manager, it sends out emails and receipts to remind you you're paying for something so in that way it's very transparent. Chances are if you've bought something on the Internet in the past 5-10 years you've already been through the stripe payment gateway multiple times. It's commonly used by hundreds of thousands of eccomerce sites and apps, the only difference is it doesn't say PAYPAL and bullshit about PayPal being the only safe way to pay, which it isn't. Stripe is PayPal's no.1 competitor and is much more developer friendly. The only reason people don't know about stripe is because it doesn't brand your payment process, it expects you to have already earnt that trust, so people don't know they are using it to pay. Paypal with its account system is one of the best ways to get hacked and robbed, but whatever.

PayPal is a dick and has frozen funds twice before but I use it anyway. I really don't want extra admin work every single time someone pays, it's more to do with the way PayPal acts as a bank and other payment processors do not do that. It's fine for the ocassional random payment but for loads of recurring ones it's an arse. I'll try to explain this as a process:

Donation 1
2
3
4
5 etc

With stripe, 1-5 are added together and paid out the following Monday. It doesn't matter how many there are, this is always the same day of the week and one fee is calculated and deducted. I create one transaction to explain this to tax man and that's it. Total admin jobs: 1 (or two if you include the fee) or 52 per year

With PayPal,

Donation 1 - transaction needs to be created
Donation 2 - transaction needs to be created
Donation 3 - transaction created
Donation 4 - another transaction
Donation 5 - another transaction

A separate fee transaction is created for each donation (5 fee transactions)

Funds moved to account (manually, not on a payment schedule), new transaction

Total admin jobs for this period: 11
Total admin jobs per annum: ???

Standing order is fine, but some people don't want to arse around with their online banking stuff so I need to provide all three of these options and intend to.

Even better, I can set up direct debits, which cost 1% and anyone can cancel them whenever they like. I just don't like squandering people's money because they trust a brand possibly too much, and more than us at that. I'm not sure it's possible to set up non-commercial subscriptions with PayPal so of course it's the right thing to make sure the money isn't profited on by some other company or at least this is kept to a minimum, in my view. It's not just about the excessive admin, I think it's morally wrong to use a payment processor that charges too much and operates a monopoly.

So for the subscriptions thing I would use what makes the most sense and charges the least, if people would rather go through their bank then they can do that, if they want to go through the process of setting something up once but aren't comfortable with anyone other than their bank handling their funds then they can set up a direct debit, and if someone wants to make a random one off donation with a minimum of fuss then they can do that on PayPal in about 20 seconds. This way, everyone is happy. :toot:

Don't get me wrong, I know people love PayPal and I do use it to make purchases sometimes, but if anyone cares about this it just isn't the best nor the only option out there for taking payments on the internet these days. It's a company that's been around since the late 90s and for some reason still has an enormous stranglehold on the small business and enterprise sector, despite people being perfectly happy to out their card details into all sorts of things like big websites or small coffee shops or supermarkets that don't use it. Just because it's in person, doesn't mean it's safe, just because it's online doesn't mean it's dangerous, and even more so than at any time in the past, just because it says PayPal doesn't mean it's safe either.

Consider this: Braintree (a subsidiary of PayPal) phoned me up one day (an actual real person) and asked me what payment processor I was using. I told them a mixture of stripe and PayPal. I eventually started using them because they offered me a much better rate than PayPal (1.8%), the only difference is there is no branding at all.

Yes, PayPal's own company phoned me up and convinced me not to use PayPal, in order for me to pay them less money. So even PayPal realises they are not all that, and so have bought a lot of their competition in recent years. I find that very funny, but there you go.

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PostRe: Donation drive urgently needed
by DarkRula » Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:40 pm

Have you considered something like Patreon for that sort of stuff? I know it seems kind of wrong to be using such a service just for admin fees, but it could also allow the entirety of GRcade to be integrated. Showing off the livestream channel, the shop, notable threads from here, it could serve a use in trying to draw some more people to the forum as well.

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PostRe: Donation drive urgently needed
by Lagamorph » Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:45 pm

DarkRula wrote:Have you considered something like Patreon for that sort of stuff? I know it seems kind of wrong to be using such a service just for admin fees, but it could also allow the entirety of GRcade to be integrated. Showing off the livestream channel, the shop, notable threads from here, it could serve a use in trying to draw some more people to the forum as well.

Doesn't Patreon take a noticeable cut of every donation?

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PostRe: Donation drive urgently needed
by Pedz » Tue Jun 04, 2019 1:56 am

If you go down the Patreon route I'd suggest incentives and stuff, but what I don't know.

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PostRe: Donation drive urgently needed
by Moggy » Tue Jun 04, 2019 7:46 am

I used to have a standing order set up to send Steve money every month. I remember being questioned by the bank when I was going for a mortgage "what is this Moggy you are paying for? Is it pet insurance?". Rather than admit the sad geeky truth, I just said it was. :lol:

GG I need to sort some finances out but I will PM you for the BACS details at some point and try and put a bit in each month. In return I want you to promise that Karl's foul mouth will go nowhere near my genitals.

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PostRe: Donation drive urgently needed
by jawafour » Tue Jun 04, 2019 7:58 am

Green Gecko wrote:...Even better, I can set up direct debits, which cost 1% and anyone can cancel them whenever they like...

This sounds great! Seems like an approach that is relatively simple to setup and maintain. I will run anther "would you be willing to help fund GR" vote to get an idea of potential supporter numbers.

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PostRe: Donation drive urgently needed
by jawafour » Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:38 am

...the vote is live. Lets see how many folk could support GR! I put the vote thread in the Stuff section to obtain a (hopefully) high degree of visibility.

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PostRe: Donation drive urgently needed
by Preezy » Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:56 am

Moggy wrote:I used to have a standing order set up to send Steve money every month. I remember being questioned by the bank when I was going for a mortgage "what is this Moggy you are paying for? Is it pet insurance?". Rather than admit the sad geeky truth, I just said it was. :lol:

:lol: :lol:

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PostRe: Donation drive urgently needed
by Oblomov Boblomov » Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:03 pm

Preezy wrote:
Moggy wrote:I used to have a standing order set up to send Steve money every month. I remember being questioned by the bank when I was going for a mortgage "what is this Moggy you are paying for? Is it pet insurance?". Rather than admit the sad geeky truth, I just said it was. :lol:

:lol: :lol:

Amazing :lol:

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PostRe: Donation drive urgently needed
by Sandy » Wed Jun 05, 2019 8:56 pm

PayPal is saying you can't receive payments at the moment

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PostRe: Donation drive urgently needed
by Green Gecko » Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:09 pm

Sandy wrote:PayPal is saying you can't receive payments at the moment

Ah, I did that because customers were ignoring my instructions to pay me other ways for t-shirts etc. I lost £15 on it last time, and it kept happening (English wasn't their first language which didn't help), so that method won't work.

I really appreciate you taking the time and having the consideration to try! I will post a new topic with the usual rubbish old school manual updates on what we've received and improve on that as soon as I can.

Pls can you try the PayPal.me link? Linky

If it's a problem I'll allow that again.

The setting mentions specifically the "pay anyone" subtab of the Send Money tab
if you were trying that.

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