● The PlayStation 5 Thread - Astro's Playroom sells 10m copies

Victor Mildew wrote:I wish Xbox had exclusives I was actually interested in enough to buy one, because gamepass seems like great value. PS+ is a joke by comparison.

Yeah, as the man says, PS+ and GP aren't comparable.

Victor Mildew wrote:I wish Xbox had exclusives I was actually interested in enough to buy one, because gamepass seems like great value. PS+ is a joke by comparison.

In theory it is over double the price per year of PS Plus (more if you include Ultimate) so you'd expect it to offer much more. In reality, it's only ever cost me a quid because MS just love giving it all away. I can't see how that business model can be sustainable because if I'm managing not to pay for it and I'm only using the Xbox/Microsoft ecosystem to a moderate degree, someone who is gaming all the time and using the Rewards app must be rolling in points. MS gave me 800 points this month for doing practically nothing (300 points for some 'punch cards' and another 500 points just for having an account for 2 years).

Photek wrote:

Victor Mildew wrote:I wish Xbox had exclusives I was actually interested in enough to buy one, because gamepass seems like great value. PS+ is a joke by comparison.

You're not wrong but Xbox is betting on the 15 dev studios that are all launching into GP will have some genuinely big hitters. Halo Infinite's reviews will be a massive litmus test but with Phil wanting a big first party game dropping into GP every 6 months or so, he see's it as just one step. The open world Fable could be incredible, the new Perfect Dark also. They've nabbed an incredible array of talent from Sony's first part studios, they've hired devs from God of War, Naughty Dog, Rockstar and Tomb Raider (reboot). Wether the games are good enough is anyones guess but I've never seen Phil this confident before.

I don't know, he's said he's extremely excited for the MS line up the last 4 or so E3s and, let's face it, many of those showings have been lacklustre. However, as there's been very liitle on offer over the last couple of years I suspect they've been "saving up" and this reveal will be very very good.

Well of course he's going to be be 'excited' but in his last interview, honestly, he seems insanely confident. Without prompt he said he feels really good after watching the Sony event, goes on about the power difference and how the Series Launch games are shaping up (I can't recall him ever talking like this before about the competition so directly - mostly because they were on the back foot).

It could all end up blowing up in his face of course so we'll see. Anyway back on topic, I reckon GP will be the same price for a while at least. I know people here have gotten great deals on it but we're gamers. The wider public will pay the full amount after the 2 week trial...

Photek wrote:Anyway back on topic, I reckon GP will be the same price for a while at least. I know people here have gotten great deals on it but we're gamers. The wider public will pay the full amount after the 2 week trial...

Just to remind you, you're in. PS5 topic

Saint of Killers wrote:Maybe shrink your teams, cut features and running time

That didn't work out so well for Resident Evil 3 Remake

Samuel_1 wrote:

Photek wrote:Anyway back on topic, I reckon GP will be the same price for a while at least. I know people here have gotten great deals on it but we're gamers. The wider public will pay the full amount after the 2 week trial...

Just to remind you, you're in. PS5 topic

We talking about pricing of games, and no ones talking about that in the Xbox thread so.....

I think they should be able to ask for a little more personally.

KjGarly wrote:

Saint of Killers wrote:Maybe shrink your teams, cut features and running time

That didn't work out so well for Resident Evil 3 Remake

But wasn't the original just as short a game? What did they charge for the remake?

I think discussion about pricing on other platforms in here is fine, as long as it's something more than 'Well, I'm okay as I'm only spending X thanks to Y'.

Saint of Killers wrote:

KjGarly wrote:

Saint of Killers wrote:Maybe shrink your teams, cut features and running time

That didn't work out so well for Resident Evil 3 Remake

But wasn't the original just as short a game? What did they charge for the remake?

I watched a play through of the remake, jesus christ, wether it was in the original or not, they didn't have to make you fight the main boss over and over again like 7 times or something, it's sooooooo bad.

Saint of Killers wrote:

KjGarly wrote:

Saint of Killers wrote:Maybe shrink your teams, cut features and running time

That didn't work out so well for Resident Evil 3 Remake

But wasn't the original just as short a game? What did they charge for the remake?

They cut a section from the game and didn't seem as much to explore as the original, not that it bothered me as I freaking loved it.

I haven't played either version anywhere close to completion (had a couple of encounters with the monster in the original) but I know by design it wasn't as sprawling as the first 2 games. If they charged a price to match the shorter duration, then I'd be fine with that; they can't just make a 15 hour game and charge the usual £50, etc.

I don't think price of game and length of game should be directly correlated

I just checked and I'm paid up with Gamepass ultimate until April 2023 so next gen should be pretty cheap for me as I only buy codes when they're on sale. Even if I end up paying £110 a year for gamepass from now that'll be £330 for 5 and a half years of Seriex X games.
Not bad at all really.

OrangeRKN wrote:I don't think price of game and length of game should be directly correlated

Agreed. My original post on it mentioned other factors, too.

Victor Mildew wrote:I wish Xbox had exclusives I was actually interested in enough to buy one, because gamepass seems like great value. PS+ is a joke by comparison.

How so? I found just as many games I was interested in playing on PS+ as Game Pass with a fat better selection of older games on +. With the exception of RDR2 there haven't been a ton of big games added to the service recently but a gooseberry fool load have been removed.

Photek wrote:

Saint of Killers wrote:

KjGarly wrote:

Saint of Killers wrote:Maybe shrink your teams, cut features and running time

That didn't work out so well for Resident Evil 3 Remake

But wasn't the original just as short a game? What did they charge for the remake?

I watched a play through of the remake, jesus christ, wether it was in the original or not, they didn't have to make you fight the main boss over and over again like 7 times or something, it's sooooooo bad.

It’s 4 times and they’re all very different fights and aside from some dodgy difficulty stuff are great fights.

Regarding whether reducing size of teams and making smaller games worked out for Resi 3? Well I don’t think you can look at it in that way in isolation. It may have gotten a bit of a deserved kicking for it’s length and lack of replay value and the multiplayer basically being DOA. However the Resi series is pretty much at an all time high in terms of popularity. I think RE2 sold gang busters and their approach to that allowed them to crank out two games in two years of a very high standard. Guess Capcom’s bottom line and people’s willingness to jump into RE8 will show how well it worked as a new smaller shorter strategy.

Hime wrote:

Victor Mildew wrote:I wish Xbox had exclusives I was actually interested in enough to buy one, because gamepass seems like great value. PS+ is a joke by comparison.

How so? I found just as many games I was interested in playing on PS+ as Game Pass with a fat better selection of older games on +. With the exception of RDR2 there haven't been a ton of big games added to the service recently but a gooseberry fool load have been removed.

It's more that I'm in the mind set of buying one system, so if I can get games on both, then performance takes a back seat to what I'm buying in to.

There's every chance I'll get both this gen, it's more what would tip me to get one before the other, and MS exclusives largly don't do it for me.

Hime wrote:

Victor Mildew wrote:I wish Xbox had exclusives I was actually interested in enough to buy one, because gamepass seems like great value. PS+ is a joke by comparison.

How so? I found just as many games I was interested in playing on PS+ as Game Pass with a fat better selection of older games on +. With the exception of RDR2 there haven't been a ton of big games added to the service recently but a gooseberry fool load have been removed.

I know this is a PS5 thread but holy gooseberry fool...

In the past few months added to GP (off top of my head mind) : Yakuza 0 and 1 (the rest incoming), RDR2, Ori 2, No Mans Sky, Fallout 76, All the Kingdom Hearts, Final fantasy 9 and 15 (the rest incoming), Minecraft Dungeons, DayZ, Soul Calibur 6, Alan Wake, World War Z, PES 2020, Journey to the Savage Planet, The Outer Worlds, Dirt 4 and The Long Dark.

and as for a far better selection of older games, GP has Xbox Original (4K on X) and 360 games (some 4K on X) in there as well. Opinions gonna opinion but c'mon man....

Photek wrote:

Hime wrote:

Victor Mildew wrote:I wish Xbox had exclusives I was actually interested in enough to buy one, because gamepass seems like great value. PS+ is a joke by comparison.

How so? I found just as many games I was interested in playing on PS+ as Game Pass with a fat better selection of older games on +. With the exception of RDR2 there haven't been a ton of big games added to the service recently but a gooseberry fool load have been removed.

I know this is a PS5 thread but holy gooseberry fool...

In the past few months added to GP (off top of my head mind) : Yakuza 0 and 1 (the rest incoming), RDR2, Ori 2, No Mans Sky, Fallout 76, All the Kingdom Hearts, Final fantasy 9 and 15 (the rest incoming), Minecraft Dungeons, DayZ, Soul Calibur 6, Alan Wake, World War Z, PES 2020, Journey to the Savage Planet, The Outer Worlds, Dirt 4 and The Long Dark.

and as for a far better selection of older games, GP has Xbox Original (4K on X) and 360 games (some 4K on X) in there as well. Opinions gonna opinion but c'mon man....

The Outer World's came out in October last year. The Yakuza games are dirt cheap, I'll give you Ori but an indie metroidvania is pushing it as a "big game", a great big meh to the others. + has had Control, the PS exclusives and a lot of the big games that left GP.

I didn't say GP had no older games but the selection is better on + unless you really like Rare's old games and the MS franchises. I'm arguing that both services are good and the difference between them isn't night and day.