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Which confirmed feature interests you the most?

8K graphics
8
6%
Virtual Reality (PSVR 2)
40
28%
Backwards Compatibility
58
41%
Ray Tracing
9
6%
3D Audio
6
4%
SSD (solid state drive)
20
14%
 
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PostRe: ●PlayStation 5 - 19/11 - Sony: New pre-orders coming ● Digital Foundary comment on ease of developing for PS5
by Venom » Sat Sep 19, 2020 10:15 pm

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I thought they slowed slides that basically confirmed PS4 games will run as they would on a PS4 Pro?


That’s right. But the vagueness left many to speculate there would be more to it, but there wasn’t!

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PostRe: ●PlayStation 5 - 19/11 - Sony: New pre-orders coming ● Digital Foundary comment on ease of developing for PS5
by Samuel_1 » Sat Sep 19, 2020 10:39 pm

365games seem to be doing better prices on games folks.

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PostRe: ●PlayStation 5 - 19/11 - Sony: New pre-orders coming ● Digital Foundary comment on ease of developing for PS5
by ITSMILNER » Sat Sep 19, 2020 10:41 pm

Venom wrote:
ITSMILNER wrote:
I thought they slowed slides that basically confirmed PS4 games will run as they would on a PS4 Pro?


That’s right. But the vagueness left many to speculate there would be more to it, but there wasn’t!


Ahh right, I see what you mean, I’ve just expected it to play PS4 games as if I were playing them on the PS4 Pro unless a dev releases a specific next gen patch.

Speaking of, is it just Ghost of Tsushima that’s confirmed to be getting a next gen patch (out of the first party releases)

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PostRe: ●PlayStation 5 - 19/11
by KK » Sun Sep 20, 2020 7:26 am

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Well, at least they acknowledge it, there may be hope for me yet. Fingers crossed and thanks to those that have pointed out availability to me thus far, that I've missed every time. :fp:

What are the odds that they find some PS5’s down the back of the sofa for, shall we say, 8am on Tuesday...

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PostRe: ●PlayStation 5 - 19/11 - Sony: New pre-orders coming ● Digital Foundary comment on ease of developing for PS5
by BOR » Sun Sep 20, 2020 8:38 am

Upgrade may be offered at no additional cost or for a fee and may be available for a limited time. If players have a PS4™ game on Blu-ray™ Disc, they will need to insert the PS4 game disc to see the upgrade path, download the PS5 version and keep the PS4™ game disc inserted each time they play the PS5™ version of the game. To upgrade eligible PS4 disc titles to digital PS5 versions, players need a PS5™ console with a disc drive.

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PostRe: ●PlayStation 5 - 19/11 - Sony: New pre-orders coming ● Digital Foundary comment on ease of developing for PS5
by Samuel_1 » Sun Sep 20, 2020 8:40 am

https://www.365games.co.uk/ps5
Thought I'd repost, if people missed it, best game prices I've seen.

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PostRe: ●PlayStation 5 - 19/11
by Samuel_1 » Sun Sep 20, 2020 8:41 am

KK wrote:
Samuel_1 wrote:
Saint of Killers wrote:

Well, at least they acknowledge it, there may be hope for me yet. Fingers crossed and thanks to those that have pointed out availability to me thus far, that I've missed every time. :fp:

What are the odds that they find some PS5’s down the back of the sofa for, shall we say, 8am on Tuesday...

Be sure to let me know ;)

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PostRe: ●PlayStation 5 - 19/11 - Sony: New pre-orders coming ● Digital Foundary comment on ease of developing for PS5
by Saint of Killers » Sun Sep 20, 2020 3:42 pm

Probably all a load of bollocks. Read on at your own risk.

There's a supposed deleted Keighley tweet about PS5 news dropping tomorrow. He thinks people will like it. And another rumour (which, predictably, some people think may be connected to the deleted tweet) about... BC :slol: This one says that, if you stick older gen games into the PS5 it'll cause Jim Ryan to appear on screen saying "Who'd want to play that old shite?!" and then proceeds to spit the disc out it'll play them via PS Now. That Dusk Golem guy (he of the Capcom/Resi8 PS5 rumour) has since said he'd heard BC would work on PS5 in a "weird way".

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PostRe: ●PlayStation 5 - 19/11 - Sony: New pre-orders coming ● Digital Foundary comment on ease of developing for PS5
by Venom » Sun Sep 20, 2020 3:55 pm

Saint of Killers wrote:Probably all a load of bollocks. Read on at your own risk.

There's a supposed deleted Keighley tweet about PS5 news dropping tomorrow. He thinks people will like it. And another rumour (which, predictably, some people think may be connected to the deleted tweet) about... BC :slol: This one says that, if you stick older gen games into the PS5 it'll cause Jim Ryan to appear on screen saying "Who'd want to play that old shite?!" and then proceeds to spit the disc out it'll play them via PS Now. That Dusk Golem guy (he of the Capcom/Resi8 PS5 rumour) has since said he'd heard BC would work on PS5 in a "weird way".

You were warned!


If Keighley did tweet that then it's likely true because he's normally kept informed by the big three. It also ties in with the rumour from a couple of weeks ago. But with Sony I wonder if they would monetise the solution.

https://www.ccn.com/ps5-backward-compat ... w-refresh/

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PostRe: ●PlayStation 5 - 19/11 - Sony: New pre-orders coming ● Digital Foundary comment on ease of developing for PS5
by KK » Sun Sep 20, 2020 4:07 pm

Would the content still be streaming off the discs, then? Because if they run via PS Now which requires a subscription, and the games are on Sony's servers, why would you then need to put a disc in to 'unlock' it? It'd be there on the service for everyone, no? And wouldn't they also run into all sorts of licensing issues? They'd effectively be re-releasing old games.

PS1, 2 and PS3 games are already available to stream on PS Now but the selection is very limited.

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by Saint of Killers » Sun Sep 20, 2020 4:13 pm

Maybe there are multiple ways to access the content. If you don't have old gen games laying about, you sub to the new PS Now. But if you do have old gen games, then you don't need a sub to play those ones, and sticking the disc in PS5 allows you to download the updated version? (The disc acting like a sort of key or something) I have no idea :lol:

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PostRe: ●PlayStation 5 - 19/11 - Sony: New pre-orders coming ● Digital Foundary comment on ease of developing for PS5
by Saint of Killers » Sun Sep 20, 2020 4:15 pm

KK wrote:PS1, 2 and PS3 games are already available to stream on PS Now but the selection is very limited.


Right. This is the other thing. "Updated PSNow" needs to mean "vastly improved library". (Along with improved filtering or whatever to make them look sharper.) Because what's on there now is a bloody embarrassment.

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PostRe: ●PlayStation 5 - 19/11 - Sony: New pre-orders coming ● Digital Foundary comment on ease of developing for PS5
by Rex Kramer » Sun Sep 20, 2020 4:17 pm

Dropping that news and a bunch more PS5s to preorder on Monday would sure put a spoke in Microsoft's plans.

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by KK » Sun Sep 20, 2020 4:32 pm

I remember reading somewhere that PS1 emulation, heck an entire PS1, would be so cheap to put inside a PS4 it would cost Sony more to license the CD-ROM. So with that in mind, the thought Sony would go through the entire rigmarole of streaming PS1 games (which I'm guessing would mean putting the lot on servers?) for BC doesn't make much sense. PS3 we know isn't really possible so PS Now would be the only realistic solution, but for PS1 and 2 there's better options if they cared enough to do it.

An expanded PS Now featuring more of the PS1, 2 and 3 back catalogue I could understand though, but they're still going to run into the same licensing issues that has unfortunately stopped so much from ever seeing the light of day. If Microsoft can't give us Project Gotham Racing 1, 2 or 3 on Xbox for example, when I'm sure that would have been right at the top of their to-do list, I have NO FAITH in Sony bothering with Jim 'who'd ever wanna play this arthritic gooseberry fool when Gran Turismo 7 is coming' Ryan at the helm.

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PostRe: ●PlayStation 5 - 19/11 - Sony: New pre-orders coming ● Digital Foundary comment on ease of developing for PS5
by Samuel_1 » Sun Sep 20, 2020 4:56 pm

Rex Kramer wrote:Dropping that news and a bunch more PS5s to preorder on Monday would sure put a spoke in Microsoft's plans.

I'm not sure many people care that much about BC prior to PS4?
I think all release consoles from both manufacturers will sell out in the short term.

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PostRe: ●PlayStation 5 - 19/11 - Sony: New pre-orders coming ● Digital Foundary comment on ease of developing for PS5
by KK » Sun Sep 20, 2020 5:12 pm

Sony has claimed based on their own internal data that the portion of their audience who cares about backwards compatibility (beyond presumably PS4) is tiny. Whether that is true or not, I dunno. Nintendo seem to do very well constantly re-releasing their old stuff. Maybe a better barometer would be how many people have made use of the BC on Xbox 360 and Xbox One. If that's miniscule too then maybe it is niche.

People interested in remakes and remasters of older games is clearly massive however, as evidenced by the stream of hits Activision alone has had these past few years.

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PostRe: ●PlayStation 5 - 19/11 - Sony: New pre-orders coming ● Digital Foundary comment on ease of developing for PS5
by Monkey Man » Sun Sep 20, 2020 5:36 pm

Saint of Killers wrote:Probably all a load of bollocks. Read on at your own risk.

There's a supposed deleted Keighley tweet about PS5 news dropping tomorrow. He thinks people will like it. And another rumour (which, predictably, some people think may be connected to the deleted tweet) about... BC :slol: This one says that, if you stick older gen games into the PS5 it'll cause Jim Ryan to appear on screen saying "Who'd want to play that old shite?!" and then proceeds to spit the disc out it'll play them via PS Now. That Dusk Golem guy (he of the Capcom/Resi8 PS5 rumour) has since said he'd heard BC would work on PS5 in a "weird way".

You were warned!


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PostRe: ●PlayStation 5 - 19/11 - Sony: New pre-orders coming ● Digital Foundary comment on ease of developing for PS5
by Saint of Killers » Sun Sep 20, 2020 6:34 pm

Yeah, it's not in Keighley's m.o. to be letting the cat out the bag in so specific a manner like that, so I'm inclined to believe it is fake.

KK wrote:Sony has claimed based on their own internal data that the portion of their audience who cares about backwards compatibility (beyond presumably PS4) is tiny. Whether that is true or not, I dunno. Nintendo seem to do very well constantly re-releasing their old stuff. Maybe a better barometer would be how many people have made use of the BC on Xbox 360 and Xbox One. If that's miniscule too then maybe it is niche.

People interested in remakes and remasters of older games is clearly massive however, as evidenced by the stream of hits Activision alone has had these past few years.


Ignoring the fact it's Crash Bandicoot :dread: , those are select games – Sony also clearly believe a market is there for remakes and remasters for select, loved titles given how many it has made over the years.

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PostRe: ●PlayStation 5 - 19/11 - Sony: New pre-orders coming ● Digital Foundary comment on ease of developing for PS5
by KK » Sun Sep 20, 2020 7:24 pm

I always thought there was more legs in Heavenly Sword, myself.

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by ITSMILNER » Sun Sep 20, 2020 7:29 pm

I would have liked PS3 BC so I could play the old Ratchet and Clank games before the new one hits but I still have my old PS3 so it’s no biggy.

What’re is the cheapest place at the moment to pick up a second PS5 controller?

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