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Samuel_1 wrote:
NickSCFC wrote:Latest rumour doing the rounds, 3 consoles will be releasing next winter.

Xbox Two S - 8 TFLOPS
PS5 - 10 TFLOPS
Xbox Two X - 12 TFLOPS

After the botched Xbox One launch, this is a very wise decision if true.

Who knows what caliber of games their new studios will produce, but in terms of hardware and services Microsoft are really getting their house in order.

If cloud processing is so powerful why do we need new consoles at all?

Crap internet speeds.

It's more latency than speed required. I'm not sure how the UK stacks up for latency but I don't think I have had a latency above 30MS for nearly 2 decades.

I still think the era of consoles being pointless is a long time away as at the moment so many people just don't have good enough internet access.
I have no doubt we could build the server capacity today to give everyone even next gen quality gaming if we really wanted but it would leave a whole lot of customers unhappy and unable to participate through no fault of their own.

I do think the PS5 and mid gen upgrades has a possibility of being the last gen before the switch though or we may get to a point where we're able to make devices like the Nintendo Switch but with PS6 quality parts and home consoles are indeed seen as old fashioned.

BID0 wrote:It's more latency than speed required. I'm not sure how the UK stacks up for latency but I don't think I have had a latency above 30MS for nearly 2 decades.

It depends on where the MS Azure servers are, with them in Dublin I was getting 7ms on Titanfall which means basically no latency at all.

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Photek wrote:
BID0 wrote:It's more latency than speed required. I'm not sure how the UK stacks up for latency but I don't think I have had a latency above 30MS for nearly 2 decades.

It depends on where the MS Azure servers are, with them in Dublin I was getting 7ms on Titanfall which means basically no latency at all.

I thought they were in your shed?

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NickSCFC wrote:
Samuel_1 wrote:
NickSCFC wrote:Latest rumour doing the rounds, 3 consoles will be releasing next winter.

Xbox Two S - 8 TFLOPS
PS5 - 10 TFLOPS
Xbox Two X - 12 TFLOPS

After the botched Xbox One launch, this is a very wise decision if true.

Who knows what caliber of games their new studios will produce, but in terms of hardware and services Microsoft are really getting their house in order.

If cloud processing is so powerful why do we need new consoles at all?

Crap internet speeds.

I was being a little facetious, if cloud processing doesn't work for everyone (or at least the vast majority), then it's a moot point. Hence the need for new console. I suppose we'll get there in the end(if we survive that long), but I think it's probably quite some time away.

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I'm sure you all know about Phil Spencer on the AMD stage at their CES conference and the use of their tech for future Xbox products. One of the things he said was how important backwards compatibility is. That's really great to hear because I like seeing my own 360 downloads on my X. But also it is a feature that Sony would be crazy to ignore knowing their competitor has been so vocal about it, so there is enough time for Mark Cerny to work out a way to include it with the PS5.

I'm really hope they keep the idea of upgrading games for a new gen as they do now for OneX and PS4Pro.
Games like Cyberpunk or Metro could be fantastic showcases for the advantages of next gen and will give us all a decent library of games to play upgraded from the start.
I'd like the service to still be free but I think a small fee would be acceptable for a full gen upgrade so £2.50 per game maybe?

Peter Crisp wrote:I'm really hope they keep the idea of upgrading games for a new gen as they do now for OneX and PS4Pro.
Games like Cyberpunk or Metro could be fantastic showcases for the advantages of next gen and will give us all a decent library of games to play upgraded from the start.
I'd like the service to still be free but I think a small fee would be acceptable for a full gen upgrade so £2.50 per game maybe?

MS will definitely do it for free for their own games, when they announced back compat a few years ago, I don't think even they thought it would be as successful as it is. The back compat team at MS is huge now and I've no doubt that the Xbox 2 will have back compat from OG Xbox working day 1.

The PS5 will almost certainly play PS4 games.

I fully expect the PS5 to be backwards compatible with PS4. Anything else would be a disaster.

It's what they do with PS1, 2 and 3 that will be most interesting, particularly given the X's current ability to upgrade Xbox and 360 games. Even if 3 is too much of a logistical challenge to run on anything other than streaming, I would like them to match Xbox for PS1 and PS2.

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Samuel_1 wrote:I was being a little facetious, if cloud processing doesn't work for everyone (or at least the vast majority), then it's a moot point. Hence the need for new console. I suppose we'll get there in the end(if we survive that long), but I think it's probably quite some time away.

It's going to be a slow process and, in the end, it still might not replace traditional consoles.

I think it's more about trying to expand the audience, delivering games to people who would otherwise be put off by paying £350 for a new console to play the latest games.

KK wrote:I fully expect the PS5 to be backwards compatible with PS4. Anything else would be a disaster.

It's what they do with PS1, 2 and 3 that will be most interesting, particularly given the X's current ability to upgrade Xbox and 360 games. Even if 3 is too much of a logistical challenge to run on anything other than streaming, I would like them to match Xbox for PS1 and PS2.

Not sure Sony would bother making PS1 games 4K tbh.

As the PS3 is apparently a pain in the arse to emulate, I can see Sony missing out those games. But they really should be aiming for the PS5 to have backwards compatibility with PS1, PS2 and PS4. Especially as I fully expect the new MS machine to have XB, 360 and XB1 on day one.

If Microsoft are going to have a base and deluxe machine from the start what kind of prices should we expect?

£350 and £500?
Will the deluxe model ship with a Pro controller V2 as standard?

Peter Crisp wrote:If Microsoft are going to have a base and deluxe machine from the start what kind of prices should we expect?

£350 and £500? ...

Yeah, I anticipate the "base" models - of both Xbox and PlayStation - being priced around the £350 mark, with "pro" models being around £450.

I'm definitely gonna be going single platform next gen; after the triple play of the 360 / PS3 / Wii gen and the dual play of the current PS4 / Switch gen, I'm a bit tired of the cost of multi-format. I don't have any idea or preconceptions around what single platform I'll go with, though.

Peter Crisp wrote:Will the deluxe model ship with a Pro controller V2 as standard?

No.

jawafour wrote:
Peter Crisp wrote:If Microsoft are going to have a base and deluxe machine from the start what kind of prices should we expect?

£350 and £500? ...

Yeah, I anticipate the "base" models - of both Xbox and PlayStation - being priced around the £350 mark, with "pro" models being around £450.

I'm definitely gonna be going single platform next gen; after the triple play of the 360 / PS3 / Wii gen and the dual play of the current PS4 / Switch gen, I'm a bit tired of the cost of multi-format. I don't have any idea or preconceptions around what single platform I'll go with, though.

I can live with it as long as the launches are out of sync. I'm hoping the Switch will be around (as in healthy and supported) for at least 24 months after the next gen launches.

jawafour wrote:...I'm definitely gonna be going single platform next gen; after the triple play of the 360 / PS3 / Wii gen and the dual play of the current PS4 / Switch gen, I'm a bit tired of the cost of multi-format. I don't have any idea or preconceptions around what single platform I'll go with, though.

Oops, I meant triple play this time around, too - Wii U / PS4 / Switch. Plus 3DS, which crossed both gens.

Yeah, I def don't plan on going multi-format next time!

This was posted on Reddit the other day then deleted, not many believed it.

Then a verified insider on Restera posted this today in the MS thread -

The same insider posted this -

That 'normal' Xbox Two has less teraflops than the X1X.... ????

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