GRcade

Eighthours wrote:

The Alchemist Penguin wrote:For you see, I enjoy Eighthours' in your face attitude, and how he has no problem arguing that someone is a complete eejit. HOWEVER, I feel that a moderator should not really do that, and should always be understanding until the end (like Garth, who is always helpful, no matter what the post is), and so Eight would probably have to soften his edges if he was a mod, which I don't really want.

TAP, meet Steve. Steve, meet TAP.

Steve doesn't count. It's Steve. He's above the rules, just like on GR.

He doesn't really post in GGC, but if you were to specialise in GGC, then I think it wouldn't look that professional.

I mean, there is really no harm in you being a mod, but at the moment there is really no need for it either. Garth could kick someone out of here in two seconds, and he's around often enough for it not to be a problem. GR needed more mods to counter balance the inactivity of the admin, but I don't think it's as necessary here.

My Human Gets Me Blues wrote:Something I find interesting, trying to avoid bias: a lot of the normal users seem to be arguing against giving Eighthours moderatorship, while the founders and current moderators are invariably for. I've read through the whole thread and I get from it a negative impression. How, then, is the poll so even? Are silent users voting one way or another?

That's interesting, as other people I've talked to have been getting almost no negativity out of it whatsoever, and I haven't either. Most of the "no" voters who've commented in this thread aren't against the idea of me being a mod - there's just been a combination of "we don't need any more mods right now" and, early on, questions about whether I wanted it.

I'd say it's been pretty positive, actually. The poll results don't tally with the mood in the thread, let's put it that way.

My Human Gets Me Blues wrote:I meant negative in the sense of keep it the same, we don't need more mods as opposed to strawberry float Eighthours, he's a wanker.

Ah, gotcha.

(We have yet to hear arguments from the latter group, though I'm aware of a number of them having voted...)

Eighthours wrote:

Rog wrote:The No's (is it noes?) are pulling away from the pack. Could this be the beginning of the end for Eighthours?

Could be!

This might be a photo-finish. It'll be hilarious if it ends up tied.

After this poll there should be a rule. You can have a Modship poll but if you lose then YOU LEAVE!

Rog wrote:

Eighthours wrote:

Rog wrote:The No's (is it noes?) are pulling away from the pack. Could this be the beginning of the end for Eighthours?

Could be!

This might be a photo-finish. It'll be hilarious if it ends up tied.

After this poll there should be a rule. You can have a Modship poll but if you lose then YOU LEAVE!

The thing I see with this is that the results will invariably include the founders and guys in charge of the forum - the people who can discuss this in secret. I assume the poll is supposed to gauge user interest, and thus the results are already skewed in favour of those running this joint (not to mention Eighthours probably voting Yes for himself too). Thus, the poll is unfair (think of a government party going to election and votes from each party being counted towards themselves). Why is it worth mentioning? Well, it will have been polled internally, I assume, and tnman hasn't come here out of his own initiative to ask something that hasn't previously been discussed. That's bad communication between the staff.

Furthermore, are the results going to be honoured, or is this some sort of thing to prevent any sort of backlash if it was done behind closed doors? Sort of like a, "you didn't all oppose this, so there!" thing. The way I see it is, and especially taking the assumption that the poll has the votes of the staff included, is that minds are already made up and, somewhere along the line, Eighthours will indeed be made a mod whether we lowly users wanted it or not.

Extra evidence of this to back me up is the staff arguing the case for Eighthours being made a mod (I've seen a few posts, the general consensus with staff being that it's future preparation). The poll, to me, is entirely superfluous and you may as well have just got on with it and announced it later. It looks far less dodgy that way.

In fact, the thread would be better off if it was titled, "We want to make Eighthours a mod, but try to convince us otherwise if you can."

My Human Gets Me Blues wrote:If you, the moderators and founders, wanted to make Eighthours a mod, you should have done so behind closed doors, instead of putting it to a (clearly divisive) poll.

I was in favour of this. Leaders are there to lead. Unfortunately, your Admins and Mods on GRcade are a damn sight more democratically-minded than I am. So, a poll it was.

My Human Gets Me Blues wrote:Having given the rest of us our say, the decision should rest on the opinions of the broader userbase, not on your opinions...

See my previous reply.

My Human Gets Me Blues wrote: I've read through the whole thread and I get from it a negative impression. How, then, is the poll so even? Are silent users voting one way or another?

Hmmm...

What are we gonna do for tomorrows poll?

I'd quite happily put myself up against Gandalf in a modship vs banning poll. If Gandlaugh is preferred, he gets to keep his modship and I get banned. If I'm preferred, Gandlaugh loses his modship and I remain an active member.

Prototype wrote:What are we gonna do for tomorrows poll?

I'd quite happily put myself up against Gandalf in a modship vs banning poll. If Gandlaugh is preferred, he gets to keep his modship and I get banned. If I'm preferred, Gandlaugh loses his modship and I remain an active member.

Can't we just ban you and Gandalf keeps his modship?

Charles Manson wrote:...The poll, to me, is entirely superfluous and you may as well have just got on with it and announced it later. It looks far less dodgy that way.

And again, the point is made. I counselled against a poll. I am merely a bluehat, so I must defer to those who wield the levers of power, just like the rest of you...

Oh, and if people misconstrue my post for being unduly antagonistic, it isn't. It's a long winded explanation agreeing with My Human...'s sentiments about doing this between the staff.

And indeed, fair enough Bluehat Cal.

JNR wrote:

Prototype wrote:What are we gonna do for tomorrows poll?

I'd quite happily put myself up against Gandalf in a modship vs banning poll. If Gandlaugh is preferred, he gets to keep his modship and I get banned. If I'm preferred, Gandlaugh loses his modship and I remain an active member.

Can't we just ban you and Gandalf keeps his modship?

Fair play.

Eighthours did say he wouldnt be modded if he loses the poll. Lets find out.

Let's face it. Even if it ends on a "no", they're going to make their it was really close and half those no votes were probably just people thinking we didn't need more mods excuses and give him the buttons anyway.

Not that I particularly have a problem with that, I just felt the need to explicitly call it.

Charles Manson wrote:Thus, the poll is unfair (think of a government party going to election and votes from each party being counted towards themselves).

You do know that politicans vote for themselves in elections, right? It's not a democracy if they don't have the same rights as the average voter!

Why is it worth mentioning? Well, it will have been polled internally, I assume, and tnman hasn't come here out of his own initiative to ask something that hasn't previously been discussed. That's bad communication between the staff.

Tnny did actually post this up without telling anyone. Really. We have discussed the mod situation in The Staff Room previously, of course, because of Pell and Kiran leaving, but hadn't come to any decisions.

Charles Manson wrote:Furthermore, are the results going to be honoured, or is this some sort of thing to prevent any sort of backlash if it was done behind closed doors?

Posting up the poll has actually decreased the staff's options in that regard immeasurably. Cal has been banging on about it all day.

Prototype wrote:

JNR wrote:

Prototype wrote:What are we gonna do for tomorrows poll?

I'd quite happily put myself up against Gandalf in a modship vs banning poll. If Gandlaugh is preferred, he gets to keep his modship and I get banned. If I'm preferred, Gandlaugh loses his modship and I remain an active member.

Can't we just ban you and Gandalf keeps his modship?

Fair play.

Eighthours did say he wouldnt be modded if he loses the poll. Lets find out.

Just joking. I expected no less from Eighthours, he's that sort of guy.

I'm predicting that, in the event of Eighthours losing the poll, there's going to be plenty of in the Secret Staff Room.

Actually, my main complaint in this thread has been the secrecy, so you know what us proles should do? Set up a forum that everyone can see APART from the Staff here.

Cal wrote:

Charles Manson wrote:...The poll, to me, is entirely superfluous and you may as well have just got on with it and announced it later. It looks far less dodgy that way.

And again, the point is made. I counselled against a poll. I am merely a bluehat, so I must defer to those who wield the levers of power, just like the rest of you...

Surely you mean bluecoat

JNR wrote:I'm predicting that, in the event of Eighthours losing the poll, there's going to be plenty of in the Secret Staff Room.

There would be, which is why we'd very much like more "yes" votes, please. Pretty please. Thanks.

This could be a hilarious first-post edit if it was done right. "HENKE FOR MOD" indeed.

This whole thing is just... bizarre .