Election 2021: Who did you vote for?

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Who did you vote for?

[I am not voting] / [I am spoiling my ballot]
20
19%
[A joke party or candidate]
1
1%
[A far-left small party]
1
1%
Greens
11
11%
Scottish National Party / Plaid Cymru / Sinn Féin
14
13%
Labour / Social Democrats
35
34%
Liberal Democrats / Alliance
6
6%
Alba / Propel
0
No votes
Conservatives
10
10%
Democratic Unionist Party / Traditional Unionist Voice
0
No votes
Reform UK / UKIP
0
No votes
[A local party, or single-issue party]
1
1%
[An independent candidate]
5
5%
 
Total votes: 104
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PostRe: Election 2021: Who did you vote for?
by Photek » Sun May 09, 2021 1:26 am

Memento Mori wrote:Sadiq Khan reelected.

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twitter.com/countbinface/status/1391129418660253699


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PostRe: Election 2021: Who did you vote for?
by more heat than light » Sun May 09, 2021 7:18 am

The video clip on the comments to that tweet is strawberry floating weird. Why does he go to stroke him on the chin/lower bin area? :lol:

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PostRe: Election 2021: Who did you vote for?
by Grumpy David » Sun May 09, 2021 8:52 am

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What’s the point of the Labour Party?

In a world no longer running on traditional class lines, the party has lost its low-income voters to the Tories, is reduced to a rump in Scotland and even fears being squeezed by the Greens. Its confused values now appeal to nobody

Labour’s humiliation in Hartlepool is a powerful reminder of a simple point: there is no guarantee that a political party will live for ever. Reduced to its lowest number of seats since 1935, plagued by infighting and now losing one cherished heartland after another, the strange death of the Labour Party is unfolding before our eyes.

Do not let anybody tell you that Hartlepool does not matter, that it is “only” a by-election in the middle of a pandemic. The last time a Conservative was elected in this area, Cliff Richard topped the charts with Living Doll, Ben-Hur was in the cinema, Winston Churchill was still alive and Tony Blair was six.

The Conservatives not only captured the seat after being in power for more than a decade but did so with the sharpest increase in the vote for any incumbent government at a by-election in Britain’s postwar history. Hartlepool is now the 55th seat that the Conservatives have taken directly from Labour in the past two years, 51 of which voted for Brexit.

The questions that now face Labour have been summarised by one senior figure, who told Times Radio’s Tom Newton Dunn: “To be honest, the party is so f***ed it’s not really a question of what leader. It’s more existential. What’s the point of the Labour Party?”

Increasingly, the idea of Labour winning the next election looks implausible while theoretically the entire rationale for the party appears to be slipping away.

For Sir Keir Starmer to win the next election he will need about 125 seats, eclipsing the swings that Clement Attlee and Blair achieved in 1945 and 1997. Labour needs to be 12 points clear in the polls, surging through England. Today, it is 10 points behind and losing England.

This would leave Britain with the longest period of Conservative dominance since the early 1800s, before the onset of mass democracy, and cement the party’s reputation as the most electorally successful party in the Western world.

Ever since the successful rollout of the Covid-19 vaccination programme Labour has slumped in the polls and Starmer’s personal ratings leave much to be desired. After everything — coronavirus, Cummingsgate, cronyism, wallpaper — if you ask people who they think would be the best prime minister, Starmer trails Boris Johnson by an astonishing 15 points. Only this week, his approval rating slumped to the lowest since he became leader while Johnson still holds a 15-point lead among the working class.

Yet leadership is only a small part of the story. Starmer, like Jeremy Corbyn before him, is the latest victim of a much deeper realignment of British politics, which is also unfolding across many Western democracies. Hartlepool is merely the latest episode in a much longer story in the restructuring of politics that is leaving Labour on the wrong side of change, staring into the abyss.

The Labour Party was built for organised labour, for a politics that was based neatly on “left” versus “right”, where people’s class loyalties did much of the heavy lifting. But even then, it struggled to connect with a country that remains instinctively conservative. Only three Labour leaders have won majorities at elections and only one was born in the past 100 years. Take away Tony Blair and Labour has not won a solid majority for more than half a century.

This is why, in the 1960s, one unknown academic — Frank Parkin — suggested that the real puzzle in British politics was not why one third of the working-class consistently voted Conservative but why so many people voted for socialism, which was fundamentally at odds with Britain’s conservative roots. The only Labour leader in recent history to buck the trend was the only one who accepted and worked with this basic reality: Blair, who also shed Labour’s socialist clothes. And so its election record over the past 40 years, as Peter Mandelson pointed out last week, reads: lose, lose, lose, lose, Blair, Blair, Blair, lose, lose, lose, lose.

Today, Labour’s disconnection from the wider country is being amplified by a new fault line separating “cosmopolitans” and “traditionalists”, which has little to do with class and much more to do with people’s age, level of education and also their geography: it is values that are now doing the heavy lifting.

Cosmopolitans are the young, university-educated, middle-class Londoners and university-towners who think that Brexit is disastrous, support rising diversity, are passionate advocates for Black Lives Matter and other worthy causes and lean toward feeling ashamed, rather than proud, of Britain’s history. Traditionalists are older, working-class, lack degrees, live in small towns and industrial heartlands and want to see a far more robust defence of the nation, its history and culture.

This rift is giving rise to things that we have simply never seen before in British politics. Just look at the last election: 77 per cent of 18 to 24-year-old “zoomers” voted for socially liberal parties while two thirds of the older baby boomers voted for pro-Brexit parties. Johnson had a 30-point lead among people who left school after their GCSEs, while had only graduates been allowed to vote then Corbyn would currently be prime minister.

The Conservatives are more popular than Labour among people on low incomes while Labour is more popular among people on high incomes. The right is no longer the party of the rich and the left is no longer the party of the poor.

This shift has thrown Labour into chaos, not only because it has cut across the old left-right split but because the party spent the past 20 years investing in only one side of the culture divide. Cosmopolitans flooded Labour’s parliamentary party and membership.

The much larger group of left-leaning traditionalists in the Labour tent, people who lean left on the economy but right on culture, were pushed aside. New Labour walked into the casino of British politics and pushed all of its chips behind middle-class graduates. It paid off in the short-term but set the stage for the revolts of the past decade: populism, Brexit, Johnson, Hartlepool. All of them were driven primarily by workers, non-graduates and hacked-off traditionalists.

“Labour have taken people in Hartlepool for granted too long,” said the new Conservative MP Jill Mortimer last week, the first woman ever to be elected as MP for this town. “I heard this time and time again on the doorstep.”

There is no easy way out. As I explained to demoralised Labour MPs after the 2019 election, they are haemorrhaging blue-collar votes in the small towns and industrial heartlands to apathy or a Conservatism that leans left on the economy and right on culture, and liberal graduates and professionals to the Greens and Liberal Democrats.

Many Labour insiders have feared this nightmare scenario ever since the 2019 elections to the European parliament, when Labour was battered by the Liberal Democrats on one side and the Brexit Party on the other. The party, pushed on by Starmer, made the fatal mistake of falling in behind a second referendum and prioritising Remainia over Brexit Country. And by standing a Remainer in Hartlepool they showed they have still not grasped the lesson.

For the past year, Starmer and his advisers thought they could sidestep this deeper shift by downplaying Brexit and talking up the economy, competence and Tory sleaze. But Hartlepool has blown a big hole in the strategy.

Johnson, the Old Etonian and Oxford graduate, is the beneficiary of the realignment, tapping into the “C2” skilled workers — factory workers, mechanics, plumbers and the “Greggs Guys” — who desperately want to believe in Britain and not be told on a daily basis they are ignorant racists.

The quietly impressive performance by the Greens this week is a big hint that we may well be heading in the same direction as our European neighbours, such as Germany, where cosmopolitan parties are eclipsing the old centre-left.

Fast-forward ten years and I’d not be surprised to see the Greens or Lib Dems as a much bigger force, rallying zoomer graduates, middle-class professionals and city-dwellers in the face of a Labour Party that looks bewildered and lost.

This is why some argue that Labour should cut the cord with blue-collar Britain now, rip off the plaster and turn instead to the emerging “Blue Wall”, more than 40 seats that are filled with millennial and zoomer graduates becoming more liberal over time and trending away from the Conservatives.

But while this strategy might be viable in 20 years, it would be a fatal mistake today. There are nowhere near enough of these seats to compensate for Labour’s losses in northern England. The reality is that Labour is stacking votes in places where it does not need them, such as London, while losing votes where it desperately does, such as Hartlepool.

Here is one statistic that every Labour activist should keep in their heads: of the 44 most vulnerable Labour seats today, 39 are outside of London and the south. These are what I call the “Red Wall 2.0” seats and there is no route back to power for Labour that does not run through them and England, where Labour has still not won the popular vote since 2001.

The fall of Hartlepool, made possible by Brexit Party voters decamping to Johnson, suggests that at least another two dozen blue-collar seats could also fall to the Conservatives at the next election, such as Yvette Cooper’s Normanton, Pontefract & Castleford, where her majority has been slashed from nearly 15,000 votes in 2017 to barely 1,000 today, or Dan Jarvis’s Barnsley Central, where his majority has crashed from over 15,000 to barely above 3,500.

To hold them, Starmer needs the modern-day equivalent of Blair’s “Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime”, a message that can cut through with traditionalists while not alienating cosmopolitans. Yet spend five minutes on Twitter, where Labour’s “woke” progressives deride such moves as “racism”, and it becomes clear why Starmer is in a fundamentally different position from Blair. As Labour’s organisation has veered left, the flexibility that it needs to meet the existential challenge has diminished.

There are simply no easy answers for a Labour Party that was formed in a world defined overwhelmingly by economics and class, but which now finds itself in a world that is shaped far more by culture and values, leaving many voters like those in Hartlepool asking the same question: what’s the point of the Labour Party?


It's a very interesting point to argue that Labour's issues run much deeper than short term factors such as the idiocy of Ed Milliband to change the way Labour elects leaders and allow trolls to vote Corbyn in for a fiver.

The original, genuine grievances that led to creation of the Labour Party are very much history. If Labour is the party of the working class and the working class barely exists anymore because of deindustrialisation and globalisation, it's not too surprising that it is floundering.

However, Globalisation as we have known it is dead (most of us just don't realise it yet similarly to how we are already in a new Cold War) the focus will not be on the most cost effective supply chains operating using "just in time" delivery methods for many sectors that are of national security concern (PPE, medical equipment, drugs, vaccine research, ingredients that make up vaccines, "fill and finish" of vaccines etc) but rather the focus will be on ensuring much greater resilience. This policy can appeal to all of the left as it's Protectionism (Insurance), provides a huge range of jobs and patriotic in a way that doesn't turn off some lefties. The argument of cost is now a non issue too since we can't afford to not to ensure greater resilience.

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PostRe: Election 2021: Who did you vote for?
by Oblomov Boblomov » Sun May 09, 2021 9:13 am

Cosmopolitans are the young, university-educated, middle-class Londoners and university-towners who think that Brexit is disastrous, support rising diversity, are passionate advocates for Black Lives Matter and other worthy causes and lean toward feeling ashamed, rather than proud, of Britain’s history.


Again, I can't help but feel uncomfortably 'seen' :dread:. (Not that I can claim to be young anymore!)

That article is desperately demoralising.

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PostRe: Election 2021: Who did you vote for?
by Rex Kramer » Sun May 09, 2021 9:30 am

Photek wrote:
Memento Mori wrote:Sadiq Khan reelected.

:wub:

twitter.com/countbinface/status/1391129418660253699


Binface vs Twatface

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PostRe: Election 2021: Who did you vote for?
by Drumstick » Sun May 09, 2021 9:31 am

Oblomov Boblomov wrote:
Cosmopolitans are the young, university-educated, middle-class Londoners and university-towners who think that Brexit is disastrous, support rising diversity, are passionate advocates for Black Lives Matter and other worthy causes and lean toward feeling ashamed, rather than proud, of Britain’s history.

Again, I can't help but feel uncomfortably 'seen' :dread:. (Not that I can claim to be young anymore!)

That article is desperately demoralising.

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PostRe: Election 2021: Who did you vote for?
by Lagamorph » Sun May 09, 2021 9:35 am

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PostRe: Election 2021: Who did you vote for?
by Oblomov Boblomov » Sun May 09, 2021 9:40 am

Lagamorph wrote:

twitter.com/CountBinface/status/1391194754881368064


Got to love this guy :lol: :wub:.

Gutted he lost out to Fox banana split.

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by SEP » Sun May 09, 2021 10:12 am

Oblomov Boblomov wrote:
Lagamorph wrote:

twitter.com/CountBinface/status/1391194754881368064


Got to love this guy :lol: :wub:.

Gutted he lost out to Fox banana split.


He beat Piers Corbyn though, so we can find comfort in that.

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by Winckle » Sun May 09, 2021 10:31 am

Somebody Else's Presents wrote:
Oblomov Boblomov wrote:
Lagamorph wrote:

twitter.com/CountBinface/status/1391194754881368064


Got to love this guy :lol: :wub:.

Gutted he lost out to Fox banana split.


He beat Piers Corbyn though, so we can find comfort in that.

Don't you think it cheapens our democracy when joke candidates make a mockery of serious electoral attempts? Still, at least Binface crushed that joker.

We should migrate GRcade to Flarum. :toot:
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PostRe: Election 2021: Who did you vote for?
by Moggy » Sun May 09, 2021 10:33 am

Winckle wrote:
Somebody Else's Presents wrote:
Oblomov Boblomov wrote:
Lagamorph wrote:

twitter.com/CountBinface/status/1391194754881368064


Got to love this guy :lol: :wub:.

Gutted he lost out to Fox banana split.


He beat Piers Corbyn though, so we can find comfort in that.

Don't you think it cheapens our democracy when joke candidates make a mockery of serious electoral attempts?


Yes, but there's nothing to stop people like Fox running.

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PostRe: Election 2021: Who did you vote for?
by Tomous » Sun May 09, 2021 10:40 am

Winckle wrote:
Somebody Else's Presents wrote:
Oblomov Boblomov wrote:
Lagamorph wrote:

twitter.com/CountBinface/status/1391194754881368064


Got to love this guy :lol: :wub:.

Gutted he lost out to Fox banana split.


He beat Piers Corbyn though, so we can find comfort in that.

Don't you think it cheapens our democracy when joke candidates make a mockery of serious electoral attempts? Still, at least Binface crushed that joker.


Why would it?

If anything, it shows that the other candidates these people were willing to put the effort into voting but none of them did enough to convince them to make a serious vote.

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PostRe: Election 2021: Who did you vote for?
by Rocsteady » Sun May 09, 2021 10:59 am

I think Winckle's kidding, no?

Saw someone had a bet on boniface getting more than Fox, disappointed that didnt come to pass

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by Cuttooth » Sun May 09, 2021 11:03 am

Rocsteady wrote:I think Winckle's kidding, no?

Saw someone had a bet on boniface getting more than Fox, disappointed that didnt come to pass

Boniface (Latin: Bonifatius; c. 675[2] – 5 June 754), born Winfrid (also spelled Winifred, Wynfrith, Winfrith or Wynfryth) in the Devon town of Crediton in Anglo-Saxon England, was a leading figure in the Anglo-Saxon mission to the Germanic parts of the Frankish Empire during the 8th century. He organised significant foundations of the church in Germany and was made archbishop of Mainz by Pope Gregory III.


Sounds like another independent Remain candidate, which probably wouldn't have gained much traction in London.

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PostRe: Election 2021: Who did you vote for?
by Tineash » Sun May 09, 2021 11:08 am

Grumpy David wrote:It's a very interesting point to argue that Labour's issues run much deeper than short term factors such as the idiocy of Ed Milliband to change the way Labour elects leaders and allow trolls to vote Corbyn in for a fiver.


That reform was pushed by the Labour right, who resented the electoral college system that (over?)weighted union votes to be equal with members & MPs. They thought that wider participation would benefit centre and right candidates. The Labour right are very stupid.

edit: Thinking more, it was also a reponse to the Falkirk selection drama, when Unite were accused of systematically signing up local members to influence the choice of who would replace Eric Joyce. Everyone knows the Labour Party has no place for *spits on the ground* union members!

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PostRe: Election 2021: Who did you vote for?
by VlaSoul » Sun May 09, 2021 11:18 am

Winckle wrote:
Somebody Else's Presents wrote:
Oblomov Boblomov wrote:
Lagamorph wrote:

twitter.com/CountBinface/status/1391194754881368064


Got to love this guy :lol: :wub:.

Gutted he lost out to Fox banana split.


He beat Piers Corbyn though, so we can find comfort in that.

Don't you think it cheapens our democracy when joke candidates make a mockery of serious electoral attempts? Still, at least Binface crushed that joker.

Candidates like that are good for pointing out how ridiculous the state of things are

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PostRe: Election 2021: Who did you vote for?
by Victor Mildew » Sun May 09, 2021 11:27 am

Moggy wrote:
Winckle wrote:
Somebody Else's Presents wrote:
Oblomov Boblomov wrote:
Lagamorph wrote:

twitter.com/CountBinface/status/1391194754881368064


Got to love this guy :lol: :wub:.

Gutted he lost out to Fox banana split.


He beat Piers Corbyn though, so we can find comfort in that.

Don't you think it cheapens our democracy when joke candidates make a mockery of serious electoral attempts?


Yes, but there's nothing to stop people like Fox running.


:lol:

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PostRe: Election 2021: Who did you vote for?
by shy guy 64 » Sun May 09, 2021 11:35 am

Winckle wrote:
Somebody Else's Presents wrote:
Oblomov Boblomov wrote:
Lagamorph wrote:

twitter.com/CountBinface/status/1391194754881368064


Got to love this guy :lol: :wub:.

Gutted he lost out to Fox banana split.


He beat Piers Corbyn though, so we can find comfort in that.

Don't you think it cheapens our democracy when joke candidates make a mockery of serious electoral attempts? Still, at least Binface crushed that joker.


We’ve got a joke candidate as PM since 2019

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PostRe: Election 2021: Who did you vote for?
by That » Sun May 09, 2021 12:10 pm

Oblomov Boblomov wrote:That article is desperately demoralising.

Which is why The Times published it. There's no point reading right-wing commentary (propaganda), unless to remind yourself to do the opposite of whatever they're helpfully suggesting.

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PostRe: Election 2021: Who did you vote for?
by Moggy » Sun May 09, 2021 12:30 pm

twitter.com/resophonick/status/1391288617449005058



That's the interview I mentioned yesterday.

It's extraordinary that people are so unaware of just who it is that is ruining their lives.


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