SillySprout wrote:Labour already turning on themselves. One of the things I said in my last post that was a big issue with them at the moment. The party has a clear split between the more left wing elements and the more centrist elements. Starmer certainly appears to be losing support of the left of the party (even pushing them away), but Labour only has a chance of being successful if they keep both sides on board, not shift from side to side continually. My worry is that they go back into civil war again. Labour should be making solid gains at the moment, but all they've done is shift towards the centre, losing votes from the left and not yet re-establishing themselves with voters sat closer to the centre ground. A long, long way back for them yet.
Thing is I dont think.they went backwards this election, they just didnt really go anywhere from after Corbyn. This was simply a 2019 update if you will to the 2021 local election numbers. Id imagine its very hard not to fight when you keep losing. The Conservatives were an absolute bag of angry cats during Blair.
I do think the final numbers give *some* hope to Labour but its Starmer that the light shines on brightest and the biggest questions to be asked.
I do ultimately think they need to be look outwards, make an alliance and they could win the next election, or at least give the Conservatives a lot less power. These numbers in a normal election would still have been damaging but theyd still be markedly better than Corbyn 2019. However Starmer was meant to be more transformative than that.