Epic vs Apple

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PostRe: Epic vs Apple
by Green Gecko » Fri May 07, 2021 3:58 pm

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Green Gecko wrote:I think this is going in an overall positive direction as the testimonies are making it pretty clear apple are eating a huge amount of developers revenue despite smart phones very much being not only a "general purpose device" but the *primary* daily computing device for most people. These devices should be open by default.

I don't agree with the Google revenue take either by the way but Google don't manufacture the vast majority of devices and the OS is open source.

Apple make plenty plenty of money selling their hardware and closed OS.

The difference being that with Google you can install applications which can then update themselves independantly of the Play Store.

I wasn't aware APKs could update themselves.

Take grcade for example, I was pissed Google insisted on a fresh £30 or whatever it was play store license merely because they updated their ToCs so I didn't do it. Obviously that app wasn't bringing us new traffic or members but a few users or some organisation can side load no problem, the user just has to click yes to "do you trust this source" etc like any other application on any other device besides iphones.

Apple are completely and utterly obsessed with end to end control and delivery. They always have been. They use pretty design and oftentimes fairly weak functionality to win the hearts of consumers and then strawberry float them over as much as possible.

It's not to help consumers have a consistent experience as even their own devices aren't consistent and nuke themselves with bogged down updates and normal rates of hardware failure and software bugs. It's to make as much money as possible from the creative economy of the platform that occurred and will occur indpedently of them, because that's how technology adoption works. It's hardly as if a service like Apple Music for example treats artists in the traditional sense any better. I consider programmers and game developers artists too because they make stuff. Art and craft is whatever humans make averse to nature or reflecting on it or in tandem with it. Why should apple get such a fat wedge of that? Consumers own the device, they own the hardware, they have licensed the ecosystem (the OS), they're even paying for the internet connection that delivers it.

Once the monopoly has been established and the innovator or whatever has been justly compensated these things need to open up. Choice is good for consumers. Competition is good. That's a core tenet of capitalism. This late stage gooseberry fool needs to get taken down a peg.

Tldr strawberry float the system

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PostRe: Epic vs Apple
by Winckle » Fri May 07, 2021 5:42 pm

They can't update themselves as such, but you can implement a system where it grabs an apk off the internet and passes it to Android to install and replace the existing one, so it's broadly the same.

We should migrate GRcade to Flarum. :toot:
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PostRe: Epic vs Apple
by Garth » Fri May 07, 2021 10:24 pm

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PostRe: Epic vs Apple
by Garth » Fri May 07, 2021 10:29 pm

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PostRe: Epic vs Apple
by Green Gecko » Fri May 07, 2021 10:48 pm

It's sex, not like that's a normal thing humans do and are interested in or anything :roll:

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PostRe: Epic vs Apple
by Tafdolphin » Fri May 07, 2021 11:18 pm

Honestly the most pathetic thing I've ever heard.

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PostRe: Epic vs Apple
by Dual » Sat May 08, 2021 7:42 am

First time I've heard of itch.io.

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PostRe: Epic vs Apple
by Lagamorph » Sat May 08, 2021 8:26 am

Apple seem fine with sexualised music and video being on their platforms so long as they get their 30% cut.

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PostRe: Epic vs Apple
by Saint of Killers » Sat May 08, 2021 8:36 am

They all want to wet their beaks a little.

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PostRe: Epic vs Apple
by Green Gecko » Mon May 10, 2021 1:08 pm

What does sexualised even mean?

Is sex a thing that just happens now and then? Do those parts conveniently appear and retract during that special season once in a blue moon when humans become capable of sex? Is there a ceremony or special day for this when discussing sex is OK? You might even do that thing.

I'm sure that if everyone suddenly started having sex, that would be just terrifying. The results would be disastrous. Imagine it.

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PostRe: Epic vs Apple
by Knoyleo » Thu May 13, 2021 1:13 pm

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Are these lawyers charging by the minute?

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PostRe: Epic vs Apple
by Green Gecko » Thu May 13, 2021 2:40 pm

I read quite a good take on that and it's basically the incredibly mundane way that corporate lawyers establish credibility and reliability of witnesses in terms of character assassination. Obviously a corporation isn't a person but as in the US a corporation has the same (or more) rights as a person that's how they go about it for months and months on end in excruciatingly inane detail... Picking apart motives, ethics, reliability, integrity, consistency of logic or practice, methods etc as if it were one person... But it's hundreds. This will take forever. The purpose is to break down the credibility of an organisation and their various claims or counterclaims so the jury decides one way or another whom to support. Even the slightest sway one way or the other bolsters whatever strawberry floating point the lawyers are actually going to make, eventually. We're not there yet.

Basically they are trying to call out Apple for being petty over the "sexualised" angle to enrage the court or the jury being a generally Conservative nation. They are trying to suggest apple is being disingenuous appealing to the character and temperament of the court itself instead of making an actual strawberry floating point that's relevant to an anti trust lawsuit. It's pretty ridiculous.

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PostRe: Epic vs Apple
by Garth » Sun May 16, 2021 12:58 pm

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PostRe: Epic vs Apple
by That's not a growth » Sun May 16, 2021 1:36 pm

What's the game making experience for a developer on Roblox - more similar to Mario Maker or Unreal? If the former then that just means things are going to get more and more blurred between the difference between a store, and a game with user created content.

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PostRe: Epic vs Apple
by Bob Page » Sun May 16, 2021 1:39 pm

Of course they're desperate. They can smell their death, and the sound they'll make rattling their cage will serve as a warning to the rest.

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PostRe: Epic vs Apple
by Garth » Fri May 21, 2021 5:42 pm

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PostRe: Epic vs Apple
by Garth » Fri May 21, 2021 8:10 pm

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PostRe: Epic vs Apple
by Garth » Fri May 21, 2021 8:22 pm

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PostRe: Epic vs Apple
by Jenuall » Fri May 21, 2021 8:34 pm

Doesn't know Steam? Bullshit, what a lying cock

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PostRe: Epic vs Apple
by Ironhide » Fri May 21, 2021 9:11 pm

Jenuall wrote:Doesn't know Steam? Bullshit, what a lying cock


I just love the utter cheek of someone working in the gaming industry claiming they've never head of Steam, while in a courtroom setting.

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