Epic Star Trek Re-Watch - The Next Generation - Movie Week 2!

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by Cheeky Devlin » Fri Feb 18, 2022 12:24 am

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Star Trek is fantastic. It's been part of popular culture in one form or another for 55 years at this point and has entertained and inspired millions of people over the past half-century.

So lets watch ALL of it. (Yes even the shite episodes :nod: )

We've already worked through The Original Series, The Animated Series and the first six movies, so it's time to move on from Kirk, Spock and Bones to something a little bit different.

Wikipedia wrote:In the 1980s, Roddenberry—who was responsible for the original Star Trek, Star Trek: The Animated Series (1973–1974), and the first of a series of films—was tasked by Paramount Pictures with creating a new series in the franchise. He decided to set it a century after the events of his original series. The Next Generation featured a new crew: Patrick Stewart as Captain Jean-Luc Picard, Jonathan Frakes as William Riker, Brent Spiner as Data, Michael Dorn as Worf, LeVar Burton as Geordi La Forge, Marina Sirtis as Deanna Troi, Denise Crosby as Tasha Yar, Wil Wheaton as Wesley Crusher, Gates McFadden as Dr. Beverly Crusher, and a new Enterprise.


So, starting Sunday 20th February, grab youself a nice cup of Tea, Earl Grey, Hot and make it so.



This Week!

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Where to find it?

http://www.netflix.com (UK)
https://www.paramountplus.com/gb/ (UK)

Proposed Schedule

Here's a look at the proposed schedule for the next few years. Shows in red are still airing, or will be soon so it's not possible to determine an exact schedule for them. I'll review closer to the time.

The Original series - Aug 22nd to Jan 8th 2022
The Animated Series - Jan 9th 2022 to Jan 29th 2022 (3 Weeks)
Movies 1 to 6 - Jan 30th 2022 to Feb 19th 2022 (3 Weeks)
The Next Generation - Feb 20th 2022 to Jan 21st 2023 (48 Weeks)
Movies 7 to 10 - Jan 22nd 2023 to Feb 4th 2023 (2 Weeks)
Deep Space Nine - Feb 5th 2023 to Dec 30th 2023 (47 weeks)
Voyager - Dec 31st 2023 to Nov 16th 2024 (46 Weeks)
Enterprise - Nov 17th 2024 to May 17th 2025 (26 Weeks)
Kelvin Movies 1 to 4 - May 18th to May 31st 2025 (2 Weeks)

Discovery
Picard
Lower Decks
Prodigy
Strange New Worlds


Spoiler Policy
I'm not anticipating this being a big issue, but I would remind everyone that we do have some newcomers to Star Trek going through the shows with us. When discussing episodes try and refrain from mentioning specific plot points outside of spoiler boxes. General comments are fine unspoilered through. Especially try and refrain from talking about plot points and character development further down the road. So please don't mention characters leaving/dying/getting promoted or other major developments etc.

Just watch the episodes and let us know what you think!

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PostRe: Epic Star Trek Re-Watch - The Next Generation - Season 1 Week 1 starts Sunday! New Thread!
by Cheeky Devlin » Fri Feb 18, 2022 12:40 am

As we get started on this new era of Trek, I'm really looking forward to seeing what some of the newcomers think of TNG.

Especially Moggy who (I believe) hadn't really seen any Trek before we started. It'll be nice to see how people think it compares to the very different (tonally at least) TOS era.

For the newcomers I will caveat TNG by saying that it takes a bit for it to really find itself. Season 1 especially can be a bit rough in places.

I will also say that the first week has arguably the worst episode of Star Trek ever made. Code of Honor is a racist piece of gooseberry fool and I wouldn't blame anyone for skipping it entirely. The guy who directed it never works on Trek again and the cast have loudly and publicly denounced it. It's strawberry floating trash.

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PostRe: Epic Star Trek Re-Watch - The Next Generation - Season 1 Week 1 starts Sunday! New Thread!
by Moggy » Fri Feb 18, 2022 6:46 am

Cheeky Devlin wrote:
Especially Moggy who (I believe) hadn't really seen any Trek before we started. It'll be nice to see how people think it compares to the very different (tonally at least) TOS era.


I had watched Wrath of Khan, the whale movie, the movie where Prof X meets Shatner, the JJ Abrams movies and a season of Discovery. Other than that, all my Trek knowledge came from pop culture, memes and the odd clip here and there.

The Original Series was interesting. There was great stuff but also some appallingly bad stuff :lol: I'm looking forward to seeing what The Next Generation does, from what I gather it is all great and there's nothing dodgy there at all...

Code of Honor is a racist piece of gooseberry fool and I wouldn't blame anyone for skipping it entirely.


... :dread:

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PostRe: Epic Star Trek Re-Watch - The Next Generation - Season 1 Week 1 starts Sunday! New Thread!
by Lagamorph » Fri Feb 18, 2022 8:33 am

Shouldn't Insurrection be after DS9 and Nemesis after Voyager?
Otherwise there's going to be a few references newcomers won't understand.

Also yeah, several people were very rightfully fired because of Code of Honor.

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by Cheeky Devlin » Fri Feb 18, 2022 9:27 am

Lagamorph wrote:Shouldn't Insurrection be after DS9 and Nemesis after Voyager?
Otherwise there's going to be a few references newcomers won't understand.

Also yeah, several people were very rightfully fired because of Code of Honor.

It's a tricky one to decide to be honest.

Originally I'd thought of doing everything in release order, which would have meant mixing episodes of TNG, DS9 and Voyager together as well as the TNG movies. But that was a bit complex, so decided to pare it back to focussing on specific shows in their entirety before moving on, to keep things simple.

We could mix First Contact, Insurrection and Nemesis in if people wanted. But the references to DS9 and Voyager aren't hugely important to the plots of any of them and are mostly throwaway lines or brief cameos. I also think it feels better to have batches of movies rather than one here and there.

I'll decide properly once we reach season 7 of TNG (Probably do a poll), but for now I'm planning to stick with the proposed order in the OP unless people feel really strongly about it.

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Cheeky Devlin wrote:
Especially Moggy who (I believe) hadn't really seen any Trek before we started. It'll be nice to see how people think it compares to the very different (tonally at least) TOS era.


I had watched Wrath of Khan, the whale movie, the movie where Prof X meets Shatner, the JJ Abrams movies and a season of Discovery. Other than that, all my Trek knowledge came from pop culture, memes and the odd clip here and there.

The Original Series was interesting. There was great stuff but also some appallingly bad stuff :lol: I'm looking forward to seeing what The Next Generation does, from what I gather it is all great and there's nothing dodgy there at all...

Code of Honor is a racist piece of gooseberry fool and I wouldn't blame anyone for skipping it entirely.


... :dread:


Yeah, don't judge TNG by Season 1. It's not all bad, but it's not really indicative of what the show becomes.

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PostRe: Epic Star Trek Re-Watch - The Next Generation - Season 1 Week 1 starts Sunday! New Thread!
by Jenuall » Fri Feb 18, 2022 9:33 am

Cheeky Devlin wrote:
Lagamorph wrote:Shouldn't Insurrection be after DS9 and Nemesis after Voyager?
Otherwise there's going to be a few references newcomers won't understand.

Also yeah, several people were very rightfully fired because of Code of Honor.

It's a tricky one to decide to be honest.

Originally I'd thought of doing everything in release order, which would have meant mixing episodes of TNG, DS9 and Voyager together as well as the TNG movies. But that was a bit complex, so decided to pare it back to focussing on specific shows in their entirety before moving on, to keep things simple.

We could mix First Contact, Insurrection and Nemesis in if people wanted. But the references to DS9 and Voyager aren't hugely important to the plots of any of them and are mostly throwaway lines or brief cameos. I also think it feels better to have batches of movies rather than one here and there.

I'll decide properly once we reach season 7 of TNG (Probably do a poll), but for now I'm planning to stick with the proposed order in the OP unless people feel really strongly about it.

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Cheeky Devlin wrote:
Especially Moggy who (I believe) hadn't really seen any Trek before we started. It'll be nice to see how people think it compares to the very different (tonally at least) TOS era.


I had watched Wrath of Khan, the whale movie, the movie where Prof X meets Shatner, the JJ Abrams movies and a season of Discovery. Other than that, all my Trek knowledge came from pop culture, memes and the odd clip here and there.

The Original Series was interesting. There was great stuff but also some appallingly bad stuff :lol: I'm looking forward to seeing what The Next Generation does, from what I gather it is all great and there's nothing dodgy there at all...

Code of Honor is a racist piece of gooseberry fool and I wouldn't blame anyone for skipping it entirely.


... :dread:


Yeah, don't judge TNG by Season 1. It's not all bad, but it's not really indicative of what the show becomes.

Yeah Season 1 is weak (with a couple of bright spots) but it does improve rapidly!

I'm looking forward to watching TNG again, even though I only finished a rewatch of it a year or so ago! :lol:

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PostRe: Epic Star Trek Re-Watch - The Next Generation - Season 1 Week 1 starts Sunday! New Thread!
by Moggy » Sun Feb 20, 2022 7:59 am

Encounter at Farpoint

I'm aware the TNG starts badly (thanks for the warnings!) but it wasn't quite as bad as I was imagining.

It recycles a lot of plots. Super powerful god like being who talks like it's medieval times! Perfect silent society actually has something wrong with it!

They even seem to have recycled characters. Data = Spock.

I assume those things all get better as things go along.

What I liked:

Bones :wub:

The holodeck :shock:

Professor X :wub:

Overall not awful, just didn't feel like it was its own show and was a little dull and boring.

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by Cheeky Devlin » Sun Feb 20, 2022 12:46 pm

Moggy wrote:Encounter at Farpoint

I'm aware the TNG starts badly (thanks for the warnings!) but it wasn't quite as bad as I was imagining.

It recycles a lot of plots. Super powerful god like being who talks like it's medieval times! Perfect silent society actually has something wrong with it!

They even seem to have recycled characters. Data = Spock.

I assume those things all get better as things go along.

What I liked:

Bones :wub:

The holodeck :shock:

Professor X :wub:

Overall not awful, just didn't feel like it was its own show and was a little dull and boring.


They do.

Season 1 is probably the closest to TOS in feel. A lot of the stories would work just as well in TOS (And in some cases have been originally written for TOS, or the aborted "Phase II"). The second episode is basically a remake of "The Naked Time" from TOS.
Where TNG really starts to shine is when it starts to actually flesh out and explore it's characters, something TOS rarely did. As mentioned before, TNG gets really good once it finds it's own voice.

Data is legit one of the best characters in TNG, along with Picard and Worf. Those are the three that get the most development and the best storylines. The others all get some good stories (mostly), but those three are top tier. Data starts off a bit like a Spock stand-in, but soon becomes his own character.

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by Jenuall » Sun Feb 20, 2022 1:07 pm

Data even gets a decent amount of development in season 1, one of the better parts of that first year.

I just like how much more fleshed out things become as TNG gets going. We met Vulcans and Romulans and Klingons in TOS but they were almost always paper thin representations. The movies started to give us a but more weight to the various species but it's TNG that really gets its teeth into the job.

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by Moggy » Sun Feb 20, 2022 1:12 pm

I'm sure this force field thingy was in one of TOS episodes?

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I can't remember which episode or who was the bad guy, but I really got déjà vu when I saw it. :lol:

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by Jenuall » Sun Feb 20, 2022 1:30 pm

Tholian Web?

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by Moggy » Sun Feb 20, 2022 1:45 pm

Jenuall wrote:Tholian Web?


That's it!

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by Jenuall » Sun Feb 20, 2022 2:16 pm

I think the special effects and model work hold up really well in TNG, the "clean" look of the show has aged really well and everything looks really good with the HD remastering that it received.

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by Tineash » Sun Feb 20, 2022 2:53 pm

Everyone's Shagging followed by Planet Of The Funny Black People is a hell of a one-two punch :slol:

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by Lagamorph » Sun Feb 20, 2022 2:58 pm

The fact that TNG used model work almost exclusively was one of the reasons why it was able to get a HD Remaster whilst future series haven't. DS9/VOY/Enterprise were all much more heavily reliant on CGI (DS9 more in the later seasons) which means doing a proper HD Remaster would mean having to redo a lot of the CGI Work, making it way more expensive to produce.

I will say that TNG Series 1 still suffers a bit from lack of a wider agreed continuity. Like in TOS the characters in TNG Series 1 talk as if the Federation have charted/explored a significant portion of the Milky Way galaxy already, especially in the earlier episodes. It's only later on that they seem to more firmly settle in to the idea that the Federation occupies a tiny portion of the galaxy, rather than being some galaxy spanning organisation as TOS seemed to imply at times, and that most of the galaxy remains totally unexplored.

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by kerr9000 » Sun Feb 20, 2022 4:29 pm

I do think its not without faults but I really enjoy Encounter at Farpoint, im not going to talk about every part of it but just dance over it a little

I like the fact the federation has always kind of bigged itself up and there is the Q claiming them to be a ''dangerous savage childish race'' Patrick Stewart and John de Lancie are brilliant across from each other, some things I sort of enjoyed like the sepeartion of the ship do feel like there done a little bit more as a form of dick waving than cause it helped the plot really, just before this did anyone notice the man wearing a startrek uniform style mini skirt uniform, I am sure my brain never held on to that before I rewatched this again. Its also intresting to see Obrian in Trek so early given how great a character he will go on to become. I adore the McCoy Data scene the ''whats so troublesome about not having died'' line being my fave but its a real tender passing of the torch scene

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by Moggy » Sun Feb 20, 2022 4:35 pm

kerr9000 wrote:
I like the fact the federation has always kind of bigged itself up and there is the Q claiming them to be a ''dangerous savage childish race''


I have no idea why he kept saying that as he seemed far more childish and savage than any of the humans :lol:

just before this did anyone notice the man wearing a startrek uniform style mini skirt uniform, I am sure my brain never held on to that before I rewatched this again.


Yeah I noticed that, DAMN THIS MODERN WOKE CURSE!!!!

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by Moggy » Sun Feb 20, 2022 10:45 pm

The Naked Now

Better than the first episode.

Data strawberry floats? :lol:

Sonic screwdrivers? A Google search suggests Trek and Doctor Who came up with them at almost the exact same time!

I don't think it was as good as the TOS episode it was a sequel to, no Takei fencing, but a more fun episode than the first.

I think I am going to hate Wesley though. He's great in Stand By Me, he's just annoying here. Know it all little gooseberry fool.

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by Jenuall » Sun Feb 20, 2022 11:11 pm

Welcome to the great and storied lands of hating Welsey Crusher! :toot:

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by Moggy » Sun Feb 20, 2022 11:34 pm

Code of Honor

If Black Panther had been written by Nigel Farage..... :dread:

Dreadful stuff. Probably not as racist as I was imagining, but still pretty bad. One to forget!


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