Epic Star Trek Re-Watch - The Next Generation - Movie Week 2!

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PostRe: Epic Star Trek Re-Watch - The Next Generation - Season 4 - Week 3!
by Moggy » Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:24 pm

This thread is turning into "Moggy Reviews Star Trek" ;)

Final Mission

The end of Wesley? Picard is wrong, he won't be missed. :toot:

A nothingy episode really. The fountain mystery wasn't really answered, the radioactive barge was silly and there was never any real sense that Wesley or Picard would die.

The Loss

I think I said it before, but Troi is a terrible actress. Any emotional scene just looks and sounds ridiculous as she doesn't have the chops to pull it off.

Overall an ok episode but I am already struggling to remember anything about it.

Data's Day

Data and Romulan fuckery all in the same episode? What's not to like!

Well, the dancing wasn't likeable and neither was the wedding bollocks. But otherwise it was good stuff.

It was obvious the ambassador was a Romulan though!

The Wounded

Aka: Keeping Up With The Cardassians

An interesting new alien race, a compelling revenge story and Colm Meaney learning how to not be racist. ;)

I couldn't feel any sympathy for Maxwell, but mostly because he was the warden in Shawshank. ;)

Great episode!

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PostRe: Epic Star Trek Re-Watch - The Next Generation - Season 4 - Week 3!
by Jenuall » Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:55 pm

I'm still watching along, just haven't had a chance to write down my thoughts on the episodes - I'll do a review dump when I've got a minute!

I don't think Sirtis is that bad an actress, but likewise can't exactly say I care all that much when there's drama centered around Troi.

Data's Day is a classic, a good framing device for an episode and a nice way to give a wider perspective of life on ship. Still no way in hell that O'Brian gets Keiko in real life though

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PostRe: Epic Star Trek Re-Watch - The Next Generation - Season 4 - Week 3!
by Lagamorph » Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:58 pm

The Wounded is a great little episode and introduces the Cardassians, so is basically responsible for Deep Space 9 even existing really.

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PostRe: Epic Star Trek Re-Watch - The Next Generation - Season 4 - Week 3!
by Cheeky Devlin » Sun Jul 03, 2022 9:13 pm

I'm enjoying the Moggy reviews. lol.

Sirtis is a tough one to be honest. I like her, but none of the Troi stories are particularly interesting and she is clearly the weakest of the main characters. Troi works far better as a supporting character than she does as the main protagonist of an episode.

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PostRe: Epic Star Trek Re-Watch - The Next Generation - Season 4 - Week 3!
by Moggy » Sun Jul 10, 2022 10:53 am

Devil's Due

This should have been rubbish but actually turned out pretty decent. Ardra was played wonderfully, just the right amount of over the top camp evil.

And I do enjoy a Star Trek court scene.

Clues

Erghh, Dixon Hill. The Holodeck can do anything and Picard strawberry floats around with that?

A good episode though! I figured out who just have given Data his orders but it was fun to see how they got there.

First Contact

I thought it was the movie when the episode title popped up on Netflix. ;)

Another good episode and a nice look at how the Federation goes about contacting planets/aliens. It was a little daft at first as Riker's feet and hands really shouldn't have freaked out doctors like that, but it grew into a decent look at dealing with different people.

I've no doubt that if Earth was contacted, we'd refuse to deal with aliens. Or Priti Patel would ship them off to Rwanda (that reference might be dated by the time I post this!).

10 July Edit: Nope, the reference still makes sense :cry:

Galaxy's Child

I love how useless with women Jordi is :lol:

A so-so episode. Nothing that kept me on the edge of my seat but also nothing that sent me to sleep.

I don't know if the creature effects were done later on as part of the remaster? They looked very good for the early 90s, but bloody awful for the early/mid 00s.

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PostRe: Epic Star Trek Re-Watch - The Next Generation - Season 4 - Week 3!
by RetroCora » Sun Jul 10, 2022 12:05 pm

On my rewatch I found Geordie to be borderline creepy at times with women, really weird.

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PostRe: Epic Star Trek Re-Watch - The Next Generation - Season 4 - Week 3!
by SEP » Sun Jul 10, 2022 12:08 pm

Geordi has incredibly strong fedora-wearing misogynist vibes.

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PostRe: Epic Star Trek Re-Watch - The Next Generation - Season 4 - Week 3!
by Lagamorph » Sun Jul 10, 2022 12:19 pm

RetroCora wrote:On my rewatch I found Geordie to be borderline creepy at times with women, really weird.

There was no borderline about it sometimes :dread:

Devil's Due is definitely a surprisingly fun episode, and shows the kind of con that someone with advanced technology could definitely try and pull on less advanced societies.

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PostRe: Epic Star Trek Re-Watch - The Next Generation - Season 4 - Week 3!
by Moggy » Sun Jul 17, 2022 10:40 pm

Night Terrors

I assumed this was a Halloween episode, but Wikipedia tells me it was broadcast in March. That morgue sequence :dread:

I was a bit disappointed by the resolution to the episode, it seemed a bit of a meh explanation. But overall a good episode. I seem to be saying that a lot lately, the poor quality of seasons 1&2 are hopefully things of the past.

Identity Crisis

I spoke too soon, this was a bit gooseberry fool. It was ok right up until Electro from Spider-Man ruined the whole episode. :lol:

The Nth Degree

It's weird how they sometimes describe things as "alien". No gooseberry fool, everything that far from Earth is going to be alien. Including half your crew. :lol:

A very good episode that was massively let down by the rushed ending. It was all building up so well and then they ran out of time and it just cut away.

The Cytherian bloke made me think of the movie where Kirk met god. :lol:

Qpid

A much better Q pun title than "Q Who" and "Deja Q".

But despite the wonderful punning, this was a dreadful episode. Robin Hood stories are ok by themselves, but they are never satisfying in other stories.

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PostRe: Epic Star Trek Re-Watch - The Next Generation - Season 4 - Week 3!
by RetroCora » Mon Jul 18, 2022 3:29 pm

I guess you are not a merry man either, Moggy.

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PostRe: Epic Star Trek Re-Watch - The Next Generation - Season 4 - Week 3!
by Lagamorph » Mon Jul 18, 2022 3:44 pm

Moggy is just relieved he doesn't get beaten up as much as Worf.

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PostRe: Epic Star Trek Re-Watch - The Next Generation - Season 4 - Week 3!
by Imrahil » Mon Jul 18, 2022 4:02 pm

Isn't it season 4 which has The Host? The one where Crusher arguably rapes Riker's body without consent?

One of the more wacky TNG episodes.

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PostRe: Epic Star Trek Re-Watch - The Next Generation - Season 4 - Week 3!
by Jenuall » Mon Jul 18, 2022 4:22 pm

So far behind on posting my thoughts so here is a whistle stop tour of them since I last shared!

Best of Both Worlds: Parts 1 & 2
Still an amazing setup and insane to think how much better this show is than the gooseberry fool ends of season we had for 1 and 2! The more I re-watch these though the less I think it sticks the landing in Part 2, but that said it's incredibly hard to think of anything that could top the build up for Part 1!

Family
Top tier Star Trek - this is how you do character stuff... plus some crap about Wesley :slol:

Brothers
And this is how you don't do family stuff! Lore can be great when used well but this is a weak episode for him.

Suddenly Human
I'd have just shoved the boy out of an airlock when he started playing that gooseberry fool music tbf.

Remember Me
This is brilliant for the most part, but I still hate the "Super Space Jesus" Wesley saves the day angle. Everything with Crusher in the bubble universe trying to work out what's going on is excellent and shows just how great a Beverley focused episode can be (Sub Rosa however... :dread: )

Legacy
I refuse to believe this is not Sarah Connor in space.

Reunion
It's a Klingon/Worf episode, therefore it's really strawberry floating good. First appearance of the Klingon Bat'leth as well I believe? Shame that Alexander is introduced though because he's a bit crap going forward.

Future Imperfect
I like the initial mystery and Riker working out that things are not what they seem, him stressing out fake Data with rapid maths, losing his gooseberry fool and telling fake Picard to shut up etc. But it kind of loses it after the initial layer is peeled. Also the episode ends with them having found technology that is clearly way in advance of the existing holodeck and would have loads of uses (both recreational and for things like interrogation etc.) yet once more the Enterprise just shrug their shoulders and move on! :lol:

Final Mission
Not a bad send off for Wesley all in all, even if the situation to put them in peril is pretty heavy handed - why exactly could they not take one of the Enterprise's shuttles instead of some miner's rust bucket again?

The Loss
Deanna gets mind raped by 2D monsters, audience shrugs.

Data's Day
Love it, a great format for an episode and showcases some really nice interactions between Data and various members of the crew. Refuse to believe that the transporter wouldn't have identified that the ambassador was actually a Romulan though - I know they are an offshoot of the same ancestors as Vulcans but surely there are sufficient differences now that could be detected?

The Wounded
I really like this one, not just for giving O'Brien some really good stuff to do, it's a very good exploration of political and military tensions and how easy it can be for people to get left behind in their mindset of the world. Maxwell isn't right in the actions he takes, but at the same time he was right that the Cardassian's were up to something! And yeah, the Cardassian's have arrived, with Gul Dukat's twin or something! :lol:

Devil's Due
Not the worst "super being terrorises a world!!!!" episode, the chemistry between Picard and Ardra is good enough to sustain it, but the format is still tired which hurts it.

Clues
It's a very nice episode. Red Dwarf did it better though :datass:

First Contact
Another one that I really like, not least because Riker gets to bang Frasier's space wife :datass:

Galaxy's Child
Geordi :dread: :dread: :dread: :fp:

This was never a great episode but the gender politics are so incredibly strawberry floated up in the light of 2022 vision

Night Terrors
This is a decent episode, they do a good job of demonstrating the crew slowly falling apart mentally. Still not buying the resolution though - "eyes in the dark, one moon circles" could mean anything FFS! :lol:

Identity Crisis
I don't mind this one, but it's nothing special. After the events of Galaxy's Child I kind of wouldn't have cared if Geordi got abandoned as an invisible UV space creature really!

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PostRe: Epic Star Trek Re-Watch - The Next Generation - Season 4 - Week 3!
by Moggy » Mon Jul 18, 2022 4:24 pm

2 more and you're all caught up Jen!

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PostRe: Epic Star Trek Re-Watch - The Next Generation - Season 4 - Week 3!
by Jenuall » Mon Jul 18, 2022 4:36 pm

Caught up with the schedule yeah, but you're probably about a decade in front by now! :lol:

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PostRe: Epic Star Trek Re-Watch - The Next Generation - Season 4 - Week 3!
by Moggy » Mon Jul 18, 2022 4:44 pm

Jenuall wrote:Caught up with the schedule yeah, but you're probably about a decade in front by now! :lol:


Nah, DS9 is SLOW going :dread:

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PostRe: Epic Star Trek Re-Watch - The Next Generation - Season 4 - Week 3!
by Lagamorph » Mon Jul 18, 2022 5:09 pm

Jenuall wrote:So far behind on posting my thoughts so here is a whistle stop tour of them since I last shared!
The Wounded
I really like this one, not just for giving O'Brien some really good stuff to do, it's a very good exploration of political and military tensions and how easy it can be for people to get left behind in their mindset of the world. Maxwell isn't right in the actions he takes, but at the same time he was right that the Cardassian's were up to something! And yeah, the Cardassian's have arrived, with Gul Dukat's twin or something! :lol:

As I recall one of the books later explained that he was Dukat's cousin and basically hated Dukat more and more as DS9 went on :lol:

Jenuall wrote:Devil's Due
Not the worst "super being terrorises a world!!!!" episode, the chemistry between Picard and Ardra is good enough to sustain it, but the format is still tired which hurts it.

In fairness at least this episode puts a different spin on it by having it not actually be yet another super being but just a con artist with advanced tech. And let's face it, I could most definitely see some people doing exactly that given the opportunity.

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PostRe: Epic Star Trek Re-Watch - The Next Generation - Season 4 - Week 3!
by Jenuall » Tue Jul 19, 2022 9:04 am

Lagamorph wrote:
Jenuall wrote:So far behind on posting my thoughts so here is a whistle stop tour of them since I last shared!
The Wounded
I really like this one, not just for giving O'Brien some really good stuff to do, it's a very good exploration of political and military tensions and how easy it can be for people to get left behind in their mindset of the world. Maxwell isn't right in the actions he takes, but at the same time he was right that the Cardassian's were up to something! And yeah, the Cardassian's have arrived, with Gul Dukat's twin or something! :lol:

As I recall one of the books later explained that he was Dukat's cousin and basically hated Dukat more and more as DS9 went on :lol:

Jenuall wrote:Devil's Due
Not the worst "super being terrorises a world!!!!" episode, the chemistry between Picard and Ardra is good enough to sustain it, but the format is still tired which hurts it.

In fairness at least this episode puts a different spin on it by having it not actually be yet another super being but just a con artist with advanced tech. And let's face it, I could most definitely see some people doing exactly that given the opportunity.

This is true and yeah, you have to have some respect for Ardra for just going for the whole world con!

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Jenuall wrote:Caught up with the schedule yeah, but you're probably about a decade in front by now! :lol:


Nah, DS9 is SLOW going :dread:

How far in are you now? The early seasons are definitely not the best (although I still think are probably better than early TNG overall) but season 3 is a step up and from 4 onward it's great IMO.

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PostRe: Epic Star Trek Re-Watch - The Next Generation - Season 4 - Week 3!
by Moggy » Tue Jul 19, 2022 9:16 am

Jenuall wrote:How far in are you now? The early seasons are definitely not the best (although I still think are probably better than early TNG overall) but season 3 is a step up and from 4 onward it's great IMO.


I've just finished S1. Other than one episode (which was FANTASTIC), it has been a very long slog.

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PostRe: Epic Star Trek Re-Watch - The Next Generation - Season 4 - Week 3!
by Jenuall » Tue Jul 19, 2022 9:19 am

Moggy wrote:
Jenuall wrote:How far in are you now? The early seasons are definitely not the best (although I still think are probably better than early TNG overall) but season 3 is a step up and from 4 onward it's great IMO.


I've just finished S1. Other than one episode (which was FANTASTIC), it has been a very long slog.

Let me guess - Duet?

That's a great episode and widely regarded as one of the best


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