Game music that sounds strangely familiar.

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PostGame music that sounds strangely familiar.
by Ironhide » Tue May 14, 2019 3:15 pm

I know we've already had a similar thread but I'm lazy and can't be bothered to search for it.

Just saw this series of Youtube vids and felt like sharing them with you guys.





The Doom II one is so blatant.







Some of these are a bit tenuous but others are spot on.

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by IAmTheSaladMan » Tue May 14, 2019 3:22 pm

Together again by Janet Jackson sounds oddly similar to Bridge Zone in Master System Sonic... which I probably mentioned in the other thread but I too am too lazy to check.

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PostRe: Game music that sounds strangely familiar.
by Preezy » Tue May 14, 2019 4:14 pm

How do these companies get around copyright infringement on these? Some of them are basically the exact same melody :lol:

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by Green Gecko » Tue May 14, 2019 7:05 pm

Preezy wrote:How do these companies get around copyright infringement on these? Some of them are basically the exact same melody :lol:

Derivative work is itself protected by most copyright law, whether or not it is ever found to be derivative, it just has to be adequately "transformed or represented in a new light", in other ways embellished or "annotated" and other nebulous statements based on for example US case law (where a lot of ideas are formed because the culture is so litigious). There is also arguments as to whether or not it presents something of value to the general public, whether its done for personal or commercial gain, or whether it constitutes fair use, for example in forms of criticism.

No copyright test really exists until it goes to court. It depends how litigious the original copyright holder is and it's such a mixed bag as to whether a copyright claim will actually hold up in court that the vast majority don't bother. And then it is heavily dependent on the opinion of expert witnesses and sometimes random members of the public, and may come down to what the jury thinks (if it's a jury trial). You also need documented evidence of the original version of something, because the performance by itself isn't protected. You need a recording or a manuscript etc and proof you produced that first (which is often missing when people steal stuff from poor or little known musicians etc.)

Also I like to think most artists aren't giant banana splits and freely except that serendipity is a thing and the notion of total originality is fundamentally impossible.

In other words its a whole load of gooseberry fool. You can make derivative work that may or may not pass the "test" for constituting an original work, but you run the risk of being sued. Of course, you can get sued regardless of whether or not you've actually broken the law, and will have to pay legal costs for the offending party as well as your own if you lose, as well as financial "damages" (which often reach ludicrous sums) and punitive ones (literally a made up sum by a court judge to act as a deterrent for future infringements by you or other people).

In my opinion this stifles creativity instead of protect it but, yeah, there's infringement strawberry floating everywhere, what matters is whether the copyright holder actually cares it's happening. In my opinion they should spend more time making new work instead of trying to capitalise on the ability for people to do similar gooseberry fool, which is usually a bit pathetic or done by creatives or inherited copyright holders / holding companies who are way past their prime or lack any talent to begin with.

There's even been cases where a copyright claim has been upheld despite the original work being obviously based off something else, but errr yeah we don't talk about that, or it was public domain or legally licensed or whatever. (So if you're going to "steal" a creative work get permission to do so first, because you might make a lot of money in the future evene though your work is totally unoriginal.)

There's even people who've willingly given away their copyright (some Russian authors have famously given their copyright away in their will to the "the people" etc. so that their families inherited no royalties), or been tricked into doing so. If you sell your "copyright" in its entirety to somebody else, they own everything you ever make for the rest of your life. Yeah, don't do that.

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PostRe: Game music that sounds strangely familiar.
by Ironhide » Tue May 14, 2019 8:13 pm

The Earthbound one which sounds like Won't get fooled again by the Who was bugging me as the song in question sounded very familiar to me despite having never heard it.

Turns out its one of the main samples in Climbatize by the Prodigy, which I bloody love and probably listen to every other week.

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PostRe: Game music that sounds strangely familiar.
by rinks » Tue May 14, 2019 9:18 pm

My Hero on the Master System, when you beat the boss. It’s only a brief snatch, but it’s unmistakably based on We Are The Champions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgYdm-jdr-Y&t=7m21s

Also, I’m convinced that in Luigi’s Mansion, when he’s nervous he whistles Among The Living by Anthrax, which could have been chosen for its irony.




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PostRe: Game music that sounds strangely familiar.
by Squinty » Tue May 14, 2019 9:55 pm

I wrote a song a while ago with a really good melody line in the chorus. I couldn't quite figure out what it sounded like.

Found out later that I inadvertently stole it from an Earthbound track. Really bugged the gooseberry fool out of me and it's been sitting on my drive ever since. I then later found out there's a Satriani song that has a very similar main riff as well.

We need to reset music.

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PostRe: Game music that sounds strangely familiar.
by NickSCFC » Tue May 14, 2019 10:11 pm

Didn't watch all the videos, but here's one I always thought Sega ripped off




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by Green Gecko » Tue May 14, 2019 10:18 pm

Squinty wrote:I wrote a song a while ago with a really good melody line in the chorus. I couldn't quite figure out what it sounded like.

Found out later that I inadvertently stole it from an Earthbound track. Really bugged the gooseberry fool out of me and it's been sitting on my drive ever since. I then later found out there's a Satriani song that has a very similar main riff as well.

We need to reset music.

I've written stuff like that. one of my earliest songs is very similar to New Born by Muse but to be fair they were also working with a Spanish cycle of fifths in E minor so you have conventions going way back time to classical and world music stuff. Nobody mentioned it at the time.

Another song about 5 years later and it was exactly the same progression as Time is Running Out; although the whole thing is in arpeggiated chords the bass line is almost the same. I never learnt any of these songs until later. Again nobody has picked up on it.

You are what you like I suppose, sometimes it's just unavoidable.

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PostRe: Game music that sounds strangely familiar.
by NickSCFC » Tue May 14, 2019 10:19 pm

Sonic 2's Oil Ocean also sounds vagualy like this, more tone than melody though...

1:28 onwards

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by Squinty » Tue May 14, 2019 10:20 pm

Green Gecko wrote:
Squinty wrote:I wrote a song a while ago with a really good melody line in the chorus. I couldn't quite figure out what it sounded like.

Found out later that I inadvertently stole it from an Earthbound track. Really bugged the gooseberry fool out of me and it's been sitting on my drive ever since. I then later found out there's a Satriani song that has a very similar main riff as well.

We need to reset music.

I've written stuff like that. one of my earliest songs is very similar to New Born by Muse but to be fair they were also working with a Spanish cycle of fifths in E minor so you have conventions going way back time to classical and world music stuff. Nobody mentioned it at the time.

Another song about 5 years later and it was exactly the same progression as Time is Running Out. I never learnt any of these songs until later.

You are what you like I suppose.


That's exactly it. It's weird how the brain works. I don't even like Earthbound that much, and I think I've heard the track from it maybe a handful of times? It's called Smiles and Tears anyway.

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PostRe: Game music that sounds strangely familiar.
by Met » Wed May 15, 2019 9:04 am

Don't know if it's been covered in any of those videos, but I'm going to assume not.




It's generic and different enough to just be a coincidence, both being grungey nu-metal, but there's certainly a case to be made. Which the frontman of Powerman did make.


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