Re: GAME (as in the shop GAME): Retailer Of The Year 2019
Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 1:27 pm
That's what they want you to think
OrangeRKN wrote:I don't know what to tell you - online storefronts track a lot of information about customers (more than just their purchases), as do credit card companies, and none of those claims of data collection are controversial. In what way is acknowledging something that quite evidently happens paranoid?
Moggy wrote:OrangeRKN wrote:I don't know what to tell you - online storefronts track a lot of information about customers (more than just their purchases), as do credit card companies, and none of those claims of data collection are controversial. In what way is acknowledging something that quite evidently happens paranoid?
But it is paranoia to avoid using a console storefront to protect your privacy. Everything you do on the console can be or already is logged, you are really not avoiding much snooping just because you put a disc in rather than clicking “buy now”. The physical shops and the steps needed to get to the shops also involve various methods of snooping and loss of privacy.
The paranoia comment isn’t based on what you say being technically wrong, it’s more that I just don’t see why you would care. So MS know I bought a game (unlikely as I usually get by on Games with Gold and Gamepass ), so what?
I can see the issue when it comes to things like Facebook – that really is an insidious hellhole – but buying digital games? I just don’t see any real privacy concerns there.
Moggy wrote:I can see the issue when it comes to things like Facebook – that really is an insidious hellhole – but buying digital games? I just don’t see any real privacy concerns there.
Moggy wrote:...you are really not avoiding much snooping just because you put a disc in rather than clicking “buy now”. The physical shops and the steps needed to get to the shops also involve various methods of snooping and loss of privacy.
BID0 wrote:...you are giving away more information buying a physical copy from a physical store as you're interacting with multiple organisations along the way.
OrangeRKN wrote:Moggy wrote:I can see the issue when it comes to things like Facebook – that really is an insidious hellhole – but buying digital games? I just don’t see any real privacy concerns there.
My concern is primarily with my bank or card provider building up a robust profile and history of myself and my purchasing habits, of which videogames are only one small but contributing aspect. Hence my stressing of physical games being purchasable with cash.Moggy wrote:...you are really not avoiding much snooping just because you put a disc in rather than clicking “buy now”. The physical shops and the steps needed to get to the shops also involve various methods of snooping and loss of privacy.
Not necessarily. You're basically saying the same as:BID0 wrote:...you are giving away more information buying a physical copy from a physical store as you're interacting with multiple organisations along the way.
This is simply untrue
I would also add that such data is more valuable in greater volume, and so given a choice between that data being consolidated with a single company versus being distributed amongst many, distributed is likely better for those concerned with privacy (although that isn't the argument being made here).
OrangeRKN wrote:Moggy wrote:I can see the issue when it comes to things like Facebook – that really is an insidious hellhole – but buying digital games? I just don’t see any real privacy concerns there.
My concern is primarily with my bank or card provider building up a robust profile and history of myself and my purchasing habits, of which videogames are only one small but contributing aspect. Hence my stressing of physical games being purchasable with cash.
Moggy wrote:What extra information are you giving away from buying a digital copy instead of a physical copy?
If the console is online then it’s identical, except for the payment.
Jenuall wrote:The only difference with buying physical is the data held about your purchase habits is now shared by more than one organisation.
OrangeRKN wrote:Moggy wrote:What extra information are you giving away from buying a digital copy instead of a physical copy?
If the console is online then it’s identical, except for the payment.
You just answered your own question. With a physical purchase, all that anyone knows is that you posses the game (and the only person who knows that is the console company). They don't know where, for how much or even if you bought it. With a digital purchase, all of that purchase information becomes known by both the console company and your card provider.
OrangeRKN wrote:BID0 wrote:...you are giving away more information buying a physical copy from a physical store as you're interacting with multiple organisations along the way.
This is simply untrue
I would also add that such data is more valuable in greater volume, and so given a choice between that data being consolidated with a single company versus being distributed amongst many, distributed is likely better for those concerned with privacy (although that isn't the argument being made here).
OrangeRKN wrote:1) Generally cash is not withdrawn for each individual purchase in the amount needed for said purchase
2) The bank cannot directly equate any cash withdrawal to what it was used to purchase
Suggesting that cash is not in any way more private than card payment is just ????
I'll make sure to tell my local drug dealer he may as well start accepting card next time I see him
BID0 wrote:In both scenarios Microsoft/Sony/Nintendo/Steam/etc know you have bought a game. They will track what you do with your game.
BID0 wrote:On top of that by purchasing a physical copy from a physical store then your face/vehicle registration plates will be stored across a number of CCTV systems from the point of leaving your home, to visiting a cash machine, to sitting on a bus/parking your car, walking through a town centre and inside the store.
BID0 wrote:If you have a smart phone on you then your entire journey will be recorded by the device manufacturer as well as any apps you happen to open during your day or have running in the background. If the store runs a loyalty scheme then they will track which stores you visit, what you buy, if you have used their website then they will know which pages you have viewed and if you leave things in your shopping basket.
Moggy wrote:What possible difference does it make if the bank sees £50 going to Game or £50 coming out in cash?
Gemini73 wrote:I think any notion of real privacy in today's environment is pretty redundant.
When I worked at Moss Bros there was this occasion where this chap didn't want to to put his address into the system to process an order due to his privacy concerns.
He then handed me a credit card to make payment...
OrangeRKN wrote:Gemini73 wrote:I think any notion of real privacy in today's environment is pretty redundant.
When I worked at Moss Bros there was this occasion where this chap didn't want to to put his address into the system to process an order due to his privacy concerns.
He then handed me a credit card to make payment...
I don't know the exact situation, but using a credit card that has your address on it is not the same as inputting your address into a system - the card is only used at the time of purchase and the address information should not be stored by the company, whereas it may well be if it is directly given.
OrangeRKN wrote:
The vast majority of data collection is driven by advertisers looking to profile you so that they can better target you with relevant ads in hope of selling to you more. Knowing that you withdrew £50 cash compared to knowing that you spent £50 on x product at y time in z shop is so obviously very different I don't know why you're even arguing otherwise!
My concern is primarily with my bank or card provider building up a robust profile and history of myself and my purchasing habits