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by Stugene » Mon May 23, 2022 9:28 am

BID0 wrote:Isn't he the one who got shown up recently in a debate about the environment? I saw a few minutes of it and he had clearly stumbled in to the wrong room :lol:

he's the one who took so many opiates that he had to be put in a medically induced coma in russia

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by Knoyleo » Mon May 23, 2022 9:50 am

BID0 wrote:Isn't he the one who got shown up recently in a debate about the environment? I saw a few minutes of it and he had clearly stumbled in to the wrong room :lol:

I for one am shocked that the guy who thinks a 100% beef diet is a good idea has bad opinions about the environment.

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by Photek » Mon May 23, 2022 9:53 am

RetroCora wrote:He is not willfully misunderstood, he's a charlatan and people are starting to cotton on to that. His academic credentials don't stand up either - even his own faculty members at the University of Toronto can't stand him(one called him "the professor of piffle" a couple of years ago). I'm glad he's helped your mental health a little, but please do a bit of further research into who he is, what his opinions are and how dangerous he has the potential to be as a cultural "intellectual."


Jordan Peterson is indeed charlatan and grifter, he'll have the most outrageously bad takes on things but never, not once has he tried to apply them to the real world or work out how to implement his demented views into society. He's literally the emperor that has no clothes.

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PostRe: GBeebies Talk Trash - Piers Morgan gets called a c**t on his own show, loses even more viewers
by Memento Mori » Mon May 23, 2022 9:57 am

Stugene wrote:
BID0 wrote:Isn't he the one who got shown up recently in a debate about the environment? I saw a few minutes of it and he had clearly stumbled in to the wrong room :lol:

he's the one who took so many opiates that he had to be put in a medically induced coma in russia

The more you read about that, the more you come to the conclusion his daughter was trying to murder him.

Lawyer's edit: I'm sure that wasn't the case though of course.

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by Skarjo » Mon May 23, 2022 11:41 am

Stugene wrote:
BID0 wrote:Isn't he the one who got shown up recently in a debate about the environment? I saw a few minutes of it and he had clearly stumbled in to the wrong room :lol:

he's the one who took so many opiates that he had to be put in a medically induced coma in russia


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by BID0 » Mon May 23, 2022 1:50 pm

Knoyleo wrote:
BID0 wrote:Isn't he the one who got shown up recently in a debate about the environment? I saw a few minutes of it and he had clearly stumbled in to the wrong room :lol:

I for one am shocked that the guy who thinks a 100% beef diet is a good idea has bad opinions about the environment.

twitter.com/BritishGQ/status/1057234945427628032


Well he seems like an intellectual

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by Outrunner » Mon May 23, 2022 3:30 pm

I really try not to comment on peoples appearance but honestly, those are some cold dead eyes. He really gives off serial killer vibes in those clips.

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by Nibble » Mon May 23, 2022 4:04 pm

It's his comportment rather than his physical features that are responsible for the sinister vibes; there's definitely something way off with this guy's behaviour.

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by Tomous » Mon May 23, 2022 4:05 pm

He always looks frazzled but after an opium addiction beaten with a medically induced coma and diet consisting only of beef I'm not surprised he looks a mess.

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by Stugene » Mon May 23, 2022 5:06 pm

Tomous wrote:He always looks frazzled but after an opium addiction beaten with a medically induced coma and diet consisting only of beef I'm not surprised he looks a mess.

Lets remind ourselves of what his brain was like before the medically induced coma - at some of the literature which impressed a certain member of this forum:

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by Cuttooth » Mon May 23, 2022 5:08 pm

Leave the Chaos Ouroboros alone! :x

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by BID0 » Mon May 23, 2022 5:10 pm

oh gooseberry fool I take back what I said. I didn't realise that he was living with a disability after an induced coma :|

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by Kezzer » Mon May 23, 2022 5:28 pm

pretty sure that was before the coma..

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by Knoyleo » Mon May 23, 2022 5:57 pm

Yeah, those video clips are definitely pre coma

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by Barnsy! » Mon May 23, 2022 7:31 pm

....Yeah, I'm not going to die on this hill. Thank you Skarjo, Moggy and Cora you for the thoughtful replies. Like I say, I'm interested in the self-help / clinical psychologist side and his message has resonated with me. I feel somewhat indebted to him because his works have helped me through career obstacles, relationship problems, bereavement and mental health issues - but I'm not going to defend political views I disagree with (though my disagreeing does not necessarily mean I currently believe said views come from a place of malice, but you have given me food for thought).

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RetroCora wrote:He is not willfully misunderstood, he's a charlatan and people are starting to cotton on to that. His academic credentials don't stand up either - even his own faculty members at the University of Toronto can't stand him(one called him "the professor of piffle" a couple of years ago). I'm glad he's helped your mental health a little, but please do a bit of further research into who he is, what his opinions are and how dangerous he has the potential to be as a cultural "intellectual."


Couldn't reply any better than this.


Thx bbz.

One thing I'd add is that I am also a "depressed and anxious" and deeply insecure person, something that's in the process of costing me my marriage and many other things that I care immensely about. Peterson is dangerous *because* he attracts people like us - the message is targeted at people who are susceptible to it. He's not just a charlatan, he's predatory in the way that he dresses up misogyny and hate in pseudoscientific, "intellectual" language. Barnsy said himself that there are two sides to him, including one that "owns the feminists," but surely this recognition that someone has the capacity to spread hatred in such a manner a) precludes them from being a "nice guy," deep down inside, and b) openly reveals the essential duality and nastiness of the con that's being pulled?


I'm very sorry to learn of your struggles, I sincerely hope things improve for you. Not being a psychologist myself, its possible that he only has an undergrad psychology rudimentary understanding of the human condition, that he can pass off to the layperson as being deeply inciteful that maybe complete emperors new robes to academics in the field. But his methods are effective and motivating for me as someone that isn't going to go to therapy. Dunno.

Also I don't think that him highlighting problematic areas of feminism ideology (as opposed to egalitarianism) makes him hateful or misogynistic.

Moggy wrote:To be more helpful, Peterson is full of gooseberry fool.

Behind the Bastards did a fantastic 2 part podcast on him. It's a couple of years old, so doesn't have his latest bollocks, but does a good job of skewering the grifting transphobic prick.

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/p ... 0495395833

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/p ... 0495640807

It's also on Spotify and other podcast apps if you search for it.


I haven't listened to them yet, but thank you for the links. I find the pettiness, self assuredness, bullying and smug meanness towards trans people repellent. Hypothetically, if he did truly turn out to be transphobic this would be a deal breaker and I couldn't in good conscience continue to support him (though I'm sure he'll do fine without me :D ).

I'm aware he's criticised the amendment of the Canadian Human Rights Act (Bill C-16) prohibiting "gender identity and expression" as discrimination. I understand he takes issue with 'compelled speech' mandatorily applied neutral nouns as an imposition on freedom of speech....I'm not sure what to that think of that! But, I believe he's said he would address an individual trans person however they wanted to be. I will look into it.

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by Moggy » Mon May 23, 2022 7:41 pm

Barnsy! wrote:I haven't listened to them yet, but thank you for the links. I find the pettiness, self assuredness, bullying and smug meanness towards trans people repellent. Hypothetically, if he did truly turn out to be transphobic this would be a deal breaker and I couldn't in good conscience continue to support him (though I'm sure he'll do fine without me :D ).

I'm aware he's criticised the amendment of the Canadian Human Rights Act (Bill C-16) prohibiting "gender identity and expression" as discrimination. I understand he takes issue with 'compelled speech' mandatorily applied neutral nouns as an imposition on freedom of speech....I'm not sure what to that think of that! But, I believe he's said he would address an individual trans person however they wanted to be. I will look into it.


In 2016 (roughly when he became famous):

Dr Peterson says he does not object to trans people or to choosing which traditional pronoun they prefer.

"If the standard transsexual person wants to be regarded as he or she, my sense is I'll address you according to the part that you appear to be playing," he said.

But he argues terms like "gender identity' and "gender expression" are too broad, are the "propositions of radical social constructionists," and are being used to bully opponents into submission.

"There's only two alternatives to that," he said.
"One is silent slavery with all the repression and resentment that that will generate, and the other is outright conflict. Free speech is not just another value. It's the foundation of Western civilization."


He says he'll refer to people how they want, but adds "The part you appear to be playing" before going into that rant :dread:

Earlier this year (on Joe Rogan) he compared being trans as a "contagion" and said it was like "the satanic ritual child abuse allegations of the 1980s"*. He's clearly gone a lot further than just objecting to pronouns using a free speech argument.

*the satanic panic was utter bullshit btw

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by RetroCora » Mon May 23, 2022 8:41 pm

Barnsy! wrote:....Yeah, I'm not going to die on this hill. Thank you Skarjo, Moggy and Cora you for the thoughtful replies. Like I say, I'm interested in the self-help / clinical psychologist side and his message has resonated with me. I feel somewhat indebted to him because his works have helped me through career obstacles, relationship problems, bereavement and mental health issues - but I'm not going to defend political views I disagree with (though my disagreeing does not necessarily mean I currently believe said views come from a place of malice, but you have given me food for thought).

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RetroCora wrote:He is not willfully misunderstood, he's a charlatan and people are starting to cotton on to that. His academic credentials don't stand up either - even his own faculty members at the University of Toronto can't stand him(one called him "the professor of piffle" a couple of years ago). I'm glad he's helped your mental health a little, but please do a bit of further research into who he is, what his opinions are and how dangerous he has the potential to be as a cultural "intellectual."


Couldn't reply any better than this.


Thx bbz.

One thing I'd add is that I am also a "depressed and anxious" and deeply insecure person, something that's in the process of costing me my marriage and many other things that I care immensely about. Peterson is dangerous *because* he attracts people like us - the message is targeted at people who are susceptible to it. He's not just a charlatan, he's predatory in the way that he dresses up misogyny and hate in pseudoscientific, "intellectual" language. Barnsy said himself that there are two sides to him, including one that "owns the feminists," but surely this recognition that someone has the capacity to spread hatred in such a manner a) precludes them from being a "nice guy," deep down inside, and b) openly reveals the essential duality and nastiness of the con that's being pulled?


I'm very sorry to learn of your struggles, I sincerely hope things improve for you. Not being a psychologist myself, its possible that he only has an undergrad psychology rudimentary understanding of the human condition, that he can pass off to the layperson as being deeply inciteful that maybe complete emperors new robes to academics in the field. But his methods are effective and motivating for me as someone that isn't going to go to therapy. Dunno.

Also I don't think that him highlighting problematic areas of feminism ideology (as opposed to egalitarianism) makes him hateful or misogynistic.

Moggy wrote:To be more helpful, Peterson is full of gooseberry fool.

Behind the Bastards did a fantastic 2 part podcast on him. It's a couple of years old, so doesn't have his latest bollocks, but does a good job of skewering the grifting transphobic prick.

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/p ... 0495395833

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/p ... 0495640807

It's also on Spotify and other podcast apps if you search for it.


I haven't listened to them yet, but thank you for the links. I find the pettiness, self assuredness, bullying and smug meanness towards trans people repellent. Hypothetically, if he did truly turn out to be transphobic this would be a deal breaker and I couldn't in good conscience continue to support him (though I'm sure he'll do fine without me :D ).

I'm aware he's criticised the amendment of the Canadian Human Rights Act (Bill C-16) prohibiting "gender identity and expression" as discrimination. I understand he takes issue with 'compelled speech' mandatorily applied neutral nouns as an imposition on freedom of speech....I'm not sure what to that think of that! But, I believe he's said he would address an individual trans person however they wanted to be. I will look into it.


This is basically correct, though he does have a PhD in complete fairness to him. But a PhD doesn't have to be particularly good, ethical or even correct to be awarded, it just needs to satisfy the conditions of whatever field it happens to be in. I would know. :slol:

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PostRe: GBeebies Talk Trash - Piers Morgan gets called a c**t on his own show, loses even more viewers
by Stugene » Mon May 23, 2022 10:12 pm

Moggy wrote:Earlier this year (on Joe Rogan) he compared being trans as a "contagion" and said it was like "the satanic ritual child abuse allegations of the 1980s"*. He's clearly gone a lot further than just objecting to pronouns using a free speech argument.

*the satanic panic was utter bullshit btw

If he means as a moral panic that the right wing media ran with, then yeah - but we all know he most certainly isn't saying that. He's a charlatan, who uses his vague psychological credentials as a stepping stone to present himself as the man of letters of the alt-right - a mouthpiece with academic credentials to add credence to their politics and make them more acceptable to the casual viewer. He deliberately states things that are vague enough that it gives a strong dog whistle to the right, an introduction to reasoned bigotry for the centrist or uninformed, and a way out for him when questioned by interviewers not privy to his circle. He will constantly claim "no i didn't say that" and explain that he was actually being very reasonable. His academic credentials have also been constantly brought into question by many - and while he does have a doctorate in his field, a lot of his publications have been proven to say absolutely strawberry floating nothing of substance. See: https://www.currentaffairs.org/2018/03/ ... we-deserve

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by Trelliz » Mon May 23, 2022 10:39 pm

RetroCora wrote:he does have a PhD in complete fairness


Now that sounds like an interesting subject, although in the interest of fairness it does also sound boring.

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by OrangeRKN » Mon May 23, 2022 11:47 pm

:lol:

They'll give out degrees for anything these days!

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