General PC Help Thread 2

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PostRe: General PC Help Thread 2
by Sandy » Tue Sep 01, 2020 4:50 pm

Albear wrote:THanks Sandy. When you say Zen 3/4 is that a new Ryzen Chip coming? Was also looking at maybe an Intel Core i7-10700K.


Yeah. Zen 3 is the codename for the Ryzen 4000 series that follow on from the current Ryzen 3000 CPUs. Zen 4 is the codename for what will most likely be called Ryzen 5000.

Albear wrote:Are there any sites that let me buy a prebuilt machine to my spec but without the GFX card?


http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk

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PostRe: General PC Help Thread 2
by Albear » Tue Sep 01, 2020 4:56 pm

My first attempt at PCpartpicker.com

CPU - AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor - £279.97
Motherboard - MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard - £106.95
Memory - G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory - £120.89
Storage - Crucial P1 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive - £93.99
Power Supply - Corsair RM (2019) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply - £108.78
Case - Corsair 750D ATX Full Tower Case - £130.97
Total - £841.55


Thoughts on the above? any glaring issues?

will I need to buy anything else? like cables or thermal paste, or do things tend to come included now?

Winckle wrote:Also the case you've chosen is a full tower huge thing, I'd look at midtowers. With the lack of optical drives these days you can save space by getting a smaller case.


Good shout. Was a bit concerned about Motherboard/mid tower compatibility issues so was playing it safe.

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PostRe: General PC Help Thread 2
by Sandy » Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:00 pm

Ironhide wrote:(Raijintek Metis Evo).


That's a really nice SFF case. Not that it matters but I think they might have taken a few of their design ideas from an old mini itx case from 15 years ago by a company called Nexus.


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Albear wrote:My first attempt at PCpartpicker.com

CPU - AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor - £279.97
Motherboard - MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard - £106.95
Memory - G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory - £120.89
Storage - Crucial P1 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive - £93.99
Power Supply - Corsair RM (2019) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply - £108.78
Case - Corsair 750D ATX Full Tower Case - £130.97
Total - £841.55


Thoughts on the above? any glaring issues?

will I need to buy anything else? like cables or thermal paste, or do things tend to come included now?


You can reduce your PSU wattage to 500/550W and save about £35. You could save £50 if you went non-modular; this is with keeping the Gold rating.

I would also switch everything to mini-itx and spend less money on the case. :simper:

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PostRe: General PC Help Thread 2
by Ironhide » Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:06 pm

That's a nice case.

Loving the slot loading optical drive bay.

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PostRe: General PC Help Thread 2
by Prototype » Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:14 pm

Forgive my complete ignorance, but if i was to get into gaming on the PC how much am i looking at for something that would run most games well? And are there any "complete" pcs that I could start with and then upgrade as i go.

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PostRe: General PC Help Thread 2
by Sandy » Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:27 pm

Prototype wrote:Forgive my complete ignorance, but if i was to get into gaming on the PC how much am i looking at for something that would run most games well? And are there any "complete" pcs that I could start with and then upgrade as i go.

Thanks


Ignorance forgiven. It mainly depends what you mean by "well".

The main 2 questions are what resolution do you want to play your games at? Normally this would be 1080p, 1440p or 4k.

What framerate do you want to play your games at? This is a pretty good comparison video:



Gaming PCs can range from £600 to £3000+. It's almost easier to know budget and then I can tell you what you could get for that budget.

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PostRe: General PC Help Thread 2
by Xeno » Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:31 pm

Some actual pricing from nvidia

3070 Starting At £469.00
3080 Starting At £649.00
3090 Starting At £1,399.00

These are all founders pricing.

The 3090 is HUUUUUGE. Apparently it can do 60fps in 8K

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PostRe: General PC Help Thread 2
by That's not a growth » Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:46 pm

I'll be keeping an eye on the 3070 benchmarks and prices, but I might end up waiting for the 2060 - although that'll be new year at the earliest I'd imagine.

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PostRe: General PC Help Thread 2
by Xeno » Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:54 pm

I still can't get over the 3090 founders edition being 30cm long.

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PostRe: General PC Help Thread 2
by Sandy » Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:06 pm

I'm actually far happier with that than I thought I was going to be. I'm currently using a 1080ti and there was zero reason or interest in upgrading to the 20 cards.

If they're right in saying the 2080 can do 4k@60 with Ray Tracing then I'm actually interested. Especially as they seem to have brought the prices back down.

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PostRe: General PC Help Thread 2
by Xeno » Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:13 pm

Just waiting on the AIB vendors releasing their cards and we can see where the dust settles.

I am with you on the 20 series. It just seems stupid paying all that cash for so little gain, with a 3080 it should be a sweet upgrade from my 1080TI.

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PostRe: General PC Help Thread 2
by Jenuall » Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:27 pm

I went from a 970 to a 2070 Super last year and I'm very happy with it so will be skipping this 30X0 generation. I'm still only paying at 1080p anyway so I can't see any more power being necessary for a good while yet!

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PostRe: General PC Help Thread 2
by Albear » Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:47 pm

Sandy wrote:
You can reduce your PSU wattage to 500/550W and save about £35. You could save £50 if you went non-modular; this is with keeping the Gold rating.

I would also switch everything to mini-itx and spend less money on the case. :simper:


Cheers. With mini itx could I run into issues if I wanted to upgrade to a 3080 at some point? Would it require a mini motherboard?

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PostRe: General PC Help Thread 2
by Sandy » Tue Sep 01, 2020 7:37 pm

Albear wrote:Cheers. With mini itx could I run into issues if I wanted to upgrade to a 3080 at some point? Would it require a mini motherboard?


Yes for needing a mini-itx motherboard and no for running into issues with a 3080. It's the same form factor as the 2080 (ish) so it'll fit in most mini-itx cases.

The 3090 on the other hand...I think you'll need spare room in your house to fit that in.

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PostRe: General PC Help Thread 2
by Finiarél » Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:02 pm

Was going to get a 2080 Super* but I'm now looking at that 3080 :shifty:

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PostRe: General PC Help Thread 2
by Albear » Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:29 am


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PostRe: General PC Help Thread 2
by Memento Mori » Fri Sep 11, 2020 11:16 am

Thought I'd idly pick out a new PC on PCSpecialist to get a rough quote.

Case: CORSAIR CARBIDE SERIES™ 200R COMPACT GAMING CASE
Processor: (CPU)Intel® Core™ i9 10 Core Processor i9-10900X (3.7GHz) 19.25MB Cache
Motherboard: ASUS® ROG STRIX X299-E GAMING II: ATX, USB 3.2, SATA 6 GB/s, Wi-Fi AC - ARGB Ready
Memory (RAM): 32GB Corsair VENGEANCE RGB PRO DDR4 3200MHz (2 x 16GB)
Graphics Card: 10GB NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 3080
1st Storage Drive: 1TB PCS 2.5" SSD, SATA 6 Gb (520MB/R, 470MB/W)
1st Storage Drive: 4TB SEAGATE IRONWOLF PRO 3.5", 7200 RPM 128MB CACHE
DVD/BLU-RAY Drive: 16x BLU-RAY WRITER DRIVE, 16x DVD ±R/±RW & SOFTWARE
Power Supply: CORSAIR 1200W HX SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® PLATINUM, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling CoolerMaster Hyper 212 (120mm) Fan CPU Cooler Black Edition
Thermal Paste: ARCTIC MX-4 EXTREME THERMAL CONDUCTIVITY COMPOUND
Wireless/Wired Networking: WIRELESS INTEL® Wi-Fi 6 AX200 2,400Mbps/5GHz, 300Mbps/2.4GHz PCI-E CARD + BT 5.0
Operating System:Windows 10 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence [KUK-00001]Operating System LanguageUnited Kingdom - English Language
Windows Office Software: Microsoft® Office Home & Student 2019 (1 Digital License)
Monitor: AOC U2879VF 28" 4K Monitor - 3480 x 2160, 1MS, HDMI, DVI, DP

Total-£3,032.00

LOL

Would an AMD CPU be advised over the Intel these days? That 3080 GPU is set in stone but I'm flexible on the other components, I'm not really going to pay an extra £8 for EXTREME thermal paste. Just put that in for a laugh.

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PostRe: General PC Help Thread 2
by Tafdolphin » Fri Sep 11, 2020 1:41 pm

Memento Mori wrote:Thought I'd idly pick out a new PC on PCSpecialist to get a rough quote.

Case: CORSAIR CARBIDE SERIES™ 200R COMPACT GAMING CASE
Processor: (CPU)Intel® Core™ i9 10 Core Processor i9-10900X (3.7GHz) 19.25MB Cache
Motherboard: ASUS® ROG STRIX X299-E GAMING II: ATX, USB 3.2, SATA 6 GB/s, Wi-Fi AC - ARGB Ready
Memory (RAM): 32GB Corsair VENGEANCE RGB PRO DDR4 3200MHz (2 x 16GB)
Graphics Card: 10GB NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 3080
1st Storage Drive: 1TB PCS 2.5" SSD, SATA 6 Gb (520MB/R, 470MB/W)
1st Storage Drive: 4TB SEAGATE IRONWOLF PRO 3.5", 7200 RPM 128MB CACHE
DVD/BLU-RAY Drive: 16x BLU-RAY WRITER DRIVE, 16x DVD ±R/±RW & SOFTWARE
Power Supply: CORSAIR 1200W HX SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® PLATINUM, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling CoolerMaster Hyper 212 (120mm) Fan CPU Cooler Black Edition
Thermal Paste: ARCTIC MX-4 EXTREME THERMAL CONDUCTIVITY COMPOUND
Wireless/Wired Networking: WIRELESS INTEL® Wi-Fi 6 AX200 2,400Mbps/5GHz, 300Mbps/2.4GHz PCI-E CARD + BT 5.0
Operating System:Windows 10 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence [KUK-00001]Operating System LanguageUnited Kingdom - English Language
Windows Office Software: Microsoft® Office Home & Student 2019 (1 Digital License)
Monitor: AOC U2879VF 28" 4K Monitor - 3480 x 2160, 1MS, HDMI, DVI, DP

Total-£3,032.00

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Would an AMD CPU be advised over the Intel these days? That 3080 GPU is set in stone but I'm flexible on the other components, I'm not really going to pay an extra £8 for EXTREME thermal paste. Just put that in for a laugh.


The new Ryzen CPUs are set to debut sometime in October, so it might be worth waiting for them. The reason I chose AMD over Intel was simple: there are still huge security issues with Intel CPUs, issues that are baked into the very architecture of the chips themselves. Performance wise the new Zen 3's are set to outperform Intel's chips, but it's the security stuff that pushed me over.

Also, at the moment it's only AMD's AM4 socket motherboards that support PCIe 4, which the Nvidia 3xxx series cards are set to take advantage of. If you plump for an Intel CPU now, you'll be limiting yourself to PCIe 3

General comments on that build:

- You don't need the 10900 unless you're building a high powered workstation. For gaming, the 10700 is pretty much the same performance. But again, I'd go AMD.
- You also shouldn't need 32GB of RAM. Even with a 3080 16 will serve you fine.
- You absolutely don't need a 1200w PSU. That's insane. According to the Cooler Master power calculator a latest gen AMD CPU coupled with an ATX board, a 3080, 16gb of DDR, an SSD and a HDD will draw around 530W total. If you want to be super safe, a 750w PSU will be fine.

Just to hammer the point home:

You probably don’t need a 1,000-watt PSU, even for an extreme gaming rig. A few years ago, all graphics cards on the high-end of our GPU hierarchy were very power hungry. But this has changed with Nvidia's recent architectures. It's simply not necessary to buy a 1kW PSU for a couple of RTX 2080s. An 800W model will do just fine, leaving headroom for an overclocked CPU as well. Fans of AMD's high-end Radeon VII or the newer Radeon RX 5700 XT will need to plan for higher power use, pairing these cards with PSUs featuring greater maximum output.

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PostRe: General PC Help Thread 2
by Sandy » Fri Sep 11, 2020 2:25 pm

Just to add to what Taf's said. I don't think you need to worry if you did end up with a PCIe slot for whatever reason. That chances of the 3080 using all the bandwidth is excessively low.

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PostRe: General PC Help Thread 2
by Memento Mori » Fri Sep 11, 2020 2:42 pm

Thanks both. I think I'll check the AMD CPU's in October then, I'm not in a rush to buy. I've only ever bought Intel CPUs but AMD would seem to make more sense on the security issue alone.


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