Trial of Derek Chauvin for the killing of George Floyd

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PostTrial of Derek Chauvin for the killing of George Floyd
by Prototype » Mon Mar 29, 2021 3:30 pm



Now underway.

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PostRe: George Floyd killing trial
by Preezy » Mon Mar 29, 2021 3:34 pm

I wonder how long this is going to go on for, some trials takes months.

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PostRe: George Floyd killing trial
by Prototype » Mon Mar 29, 2021 3:39 pm

Preezy wrote:I wonder how long this is going to go on for, some trials takes months.


It'll be interesting to see how they try to defend the absolutely indefensible.

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PostRe: George Floyd killing trial
by Preezy » Mon Mar 29, 2021 3:42 pm

Prototype wrote:
Preezy wrote:I wonder how long this is going to go on for, some trials takes months.


It'll be interesting to see how they try to defend the absolutely indefensible.

Well this is America we're talking about, so I'm fully expecting him to walk free.

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PostRe: George Floyd killing trial
by Balladeer » Mon Mar 29, 2021 3:46 pm

That or something like three months’ jail time.

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PostRe: George Floyd killing trial
by Cuttooth » Mon Mar 29, 2021 3:50 pm

Preezy wrote:
Prototype wrote:
Preezy wrote:I wonder how long this is going to go on for, some trials takes months.


It'll be interesting to see how they try to defend the absolutely indefensible.

Well this is America we're talking about, so I'm fully expecting him to walk free.

How many police officers do you reckon have been convicted over a death in police custody in the UK recently?

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PostRe: George Floyd killing trial
by Preezy » Mon Mar 29, 2021 4:00 pm

Cuttooth wrote:
Preezy wrote:
Prototype wrote:
Preezy wrote:I wonder how long this is going to go on for, some trials takes months.


It'll be interesting to see how they try to defend the absolutely indefensible.

Well this is America we're talking about, so I'm fully expecting him to walk free.

How many police officers do you reckon have been convicted over a death in police custody in the UK recently?

I don't believe I said anywhere in my post that the UK is any better? Commenting on American policing or their legal system is not automatically also comparing it to ours.

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PostRe: George Floyd killing trial
by Memento Mori » Mon Mar 29, 2021 4:08 pm

Prototype wrote:
Preezy wrote:I wonder how long this is going to go on for, some trials takes months.


It'll be interesting to see how they try to defend the absolutely indefensible.

Bare in mind to form the jury they'll have had to find 12 people who have (at least claimed to) formed absolutely no opinion of this case. I'm expecting a not guilty verdict.

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PostRe: George Floyd killing trial
by captain red dog » Mon Mar 29, 2021 4:14 pm

Watching it again, I don't understand what they were waiting for when they restrained him for so long? Were they waiting for back up (I counted 4 cops by the end of the video) or the ambulance? If they were waiting for the ambulance, I guess it could be key when the call was made.

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PostRe: George Floyd killing trial
by Moggy » Mon Mar 29, 2021 4:15 pm

captain red dog wrote:Watching it again, I don't understand what they were waiting for when they restrained him for so long? Were they waiting for back up (I counted 4 cops by the end of the video) or the ambulance? If they were waiting for the ambulance, I guess it could be key when the call was made.


They were waiting for him to die.

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PostRe: George Floyd killing trial
by Prototype » Mon Mar 29, 2021 4:19 pm

captain red dog wrote:Watching it again, I don't understand what they were waiting for when they restrained him for so long? Were they waiting for back up (I counted 4 cops by the end of the video) or the ambulance? If they were waiting for the ambulance, I guess it could be key when the call was made.


Moreover, why does a man who is face down on the ground with handcuffs on need a knee on any part of his body?

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PostRe: George Floyd killing trial
by captain red dog » Mon Mar 29, 2021 4:22 pm

Another concern I have, is this is the state prosecuting a state official and by connection, an instrument of state. How do they ensure the prosecution is entirely divorced from the interests of the state and perform the best in terms of ensuring prosecution as far as possible?

Say this was the UK, we would have the CPS (who for all intents and purposes work with the police) prosecuting an officer. How do they ensure no conflict of interest for the prosecution.

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PostRe: George Floyd killing trial
by captain red dog » Mon Mar 29, 2021 4:26 pm

Prototype wrote:
captain red dog wrote:Watching it again, I don't understand what they were waiting for when they restrained him for so long? Were they waiting for back up (I counted 4 cops by the end of the video) or the ambulance? If they were waiting for the ambulance, I guess it could be key when the call was made.


Moreover, why does a man who is face down on the ground with handcuffs on need a knee on any part of his body?

Yes I just can't, on any basis, understand why he needed restraining for that amount of time. I think that will be a key issue, as will when in the time frame the ambulance was called. The defence will likely say he was having health issues before being put on the ground, but how you square that with a knee on the neck is going to be one of the most ridiculous defence aspects of our time.

"Your honour, you see I thought the man was dying so I immediately put him on the ground and restricted his breathing until an ambulance arrived".

It's a crass way of putting it, but that is how the defence are going to try and sell it.

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PostRe: George Floyd killing trial
by Preezy » Mon Mar 29, 2021 4:39 pm

I've had to stop and start this as I've been on work calls, but just the opening statement from the prosecutor guy seems like they have an overwhelming amount of evidence against the accused.

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PostRe: George Floyd killing trial
by coldspice » Mon Mar 29, 2021 4:41 pm

pretty shocking scenes as a surprise entrant comes to the defence of the accused

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PostRe: George Floyd killing trial
by captain red dog » Mon Mar 29, 2021 4:43 pm

It's really hard not to laugh when the defence are going down the "reason and common sense" route.

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PostRe: George Floyd killing trial
by Drumstick » Mon Mar 29, 2021 4:43 pm

:lol:

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PostRe: George Floyd killing trial
by Cuttooth » Mon Mar 29, 2021 4:52 pm

Preezy wrote:
Cuttooth wrote:
Preezy wrote:
Prototype wrote:
Preezy wrote:I wonder how long this is going to go on for, some trials takes months.


It'll be interesting to see how they try to defend the absolutely indefensible.

Well this is America we're talking about, so I'm fully expecting him to walk free.

How many police officers do you reckon have been convicted over a death in police custody in the UK recently?

I don't believe I said anywhere in my post that the UK is any better? Commenting on American policing or their legal system is not automatically also comparing it to ours.

It's obviously comparing America to at least somewhere else!

Watching the video in full, I didn't remember Chauvin reaching for his strawberry floating mace because the public were pleading with him to stop murdering a man.

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PostRe: George Floyd killing trial
by Cheeky Devlin » Mon Mar 29, 2021 4:57 pm

The public response if (when?) this copper gets away with it will make the Rodney King riots look like a mild scuffle.

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PostRe: George Floyd killing trial
by JCDenton » Mon Mar 29, 2021 5:09 pm

We're taking a minimum-force approach. We're cops, after all.


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