Gillette - is this the best a man can get?

captain red dog wrote:Personally I found the advert a little patronising coming from a company like Gillette and P&C who are well known for exceedingly dodgy business practices. Take one look at their corporate structure and you can see that they are as much to blame for "toxic masculinity" as the people they are aiming this advert at. I'm surprised at just how easily that people who support these causes seem to forget to look into the companies that are pushing these messages and reflect that back on them a little. That would represent real change.

captain red dog wrote:It reminds me of the Carphone Warehouse sketch by Stewart Lee.

Photek wrote:

captain red dog wrote:Personally I found the advert a little patronising coming from a company like Gillette and P&C who are well known for exceedingly dodgy business practices. Take one look at their corporate structure and you can see that they are as much to blame for "toxic masculinity" as the people they are aiming this advert at. I'm surprised at just how easily that people who support these causes seem to forget to look into the companies that are pushing these messages and reflect that back on them a little. That would represent real change.

What aboutism.

Prototype wrote:

captain red dog wrote:It reminds me of the Carphone Warehouse sketch by Stewart Lee.

"Racism is entirely at odds with the values of the Carphone Warehouse"

Jenuall wrote:

Prototype wrote:

captain red dog wrote:It reminds me of the Carphone Warehouse sketch by Stewart Lee.

"Racism is entirely at odds with the values of the Carphone Warehouse"

That's good to hear, I was worried they were a front for a white supremacist organisation!

Photek wrote:

captain red dog wrote:Personally I found the advert a little patronising coming from a company like Gillette and P&C who are well known for exceedingly dodgy business practices. Take one look at their corporate structure and you can see that they are as much to blame for "toxic masculinity" as the people they are aiming this advert at. I'm surprised at just how easily that people who support these causes seem to forget to look into the companies that are pushing these messages and reflect that back on them a little. That would represent real change.

What aboutism.

Prototype wrote:

Jenuall wrote:

Prototype wrote:

captain red dog wrote:It reminds me of the Carphone Warehouse sketch by Stewart Lee.

"Racism is entirely at odds with the values of the Carphone Warehouse"

That's good to hear, I was worried they were a front for a white supremacist organisation!

Seriously, watch the sketch. It's utterly hilarious.

Photek wrote:My little one associates hero's with girls and boys, she loves Wonder Woman, Gamora, (from guardians of the galaxy), Mulan and many other strong female protagonists.

Moggy wrote:Bill Gates gives loads of money to charity BUT Windows ME was gooseberry fool so strawberry float him.

captain red dog wrote:

Photek wrote:

captain red dog wrote:Personally I found the advert a little patronising coming from a company like Gillette and P&C who are well known for exceedingly dodgy business practices. Take one look at their corporate structure and you can see that they are as much to blame for "toxic masculinity" as the people they are aiming this advert at. I'm surprised at just how easily that people who support these causes seem to forget to look into the companies that are pushing these messages and reflect that back on them a little. That would represent real change.

What aboutism.

It's not whataboutism. It's a company that doesn't reflect in any shape or form the message they are seeking to make a profit from, and actually their own practices go against that message. If they actually had a gender and race balanced board, didn't exploit child labour, didn't discriminate on grounds of gender targeted price hikes, I might at least be able to take them seriously when they push a message I strongly support.

Moggy wrote:

captain red dog wrote:

Photek wrote:

captain red dog wrote:Personally I found the advert a little patronising coming from a company like Gillette and P&C who are well known for exceedingly dodgy business practices. Take one look at their corporate structure and you can see that they are as much to blame for "toxic masculinity" as the people they are aiming this advert at. I'm surprised at just how easily that people who support these causes seem to forget to look into the companies that are pushing these messages and reflect that back on them a little. That would represent real change.

What aboutism.

It's not whataboutism. It's a company that doesn't reflect in any shape or form the message they are seeking to make a profit from, and actually their own practices go against that message. If they actually had a gender and race balanced board, didn't exploit child labour, didn't discriminate on grounds of gender targeted price hikes, I might at least be able to take them seriously when they push a message I strongly support.

As somebody that once got upset over the idea of female only sessions at swimming pools, I am not sure you are the best placed person to deliver that message.

Sandy wrote:

Photek wrote:My little one associates hero's with girls and boys, she loves Wonder Woman, Gamora, (from guardians of the galaxy), Mulan and many other strong female protagonists.

The new Ms Marvel is worth checking out as well.

Moggy wrote:Bill Gates gives loads of money to charity BUT Windows ME was gooseberry fool so strawberry float him.

He'll have been one of the main driving forces behind erradicating Polio before he dies but people will only remember him for inflicting Windows Vista upon us.

captain red dog wrote:

Moggy wrote:

captain red dog wrote:

Photek wrote:

captain red dog wrote:Personally I found the advert a little patronising coming from a company like Gillette and P&C who are well known for exceedingly dodgy business practices. Take one look at their corporate structure and you can see that they are as much to blame for "toxic masculinity" as the people they are aiming this advert at. I'm surprised at just how easily that people who support these causes seem to forget to look into the companies that are pushing these messages and reflect that back on them a little. That would represent real change.

What aboutism.

It's not whataboutism. It's a company that doesn't reflect in any shape or form the message they are seeking to make a profit from, and actually their own practices go against that message. If they actually had a gender and race balanced board, didn't exploit child labour, didn't discriminate on grounds of gender targeted price hikes, I might at least be able to take them seriously when they push a message I strongly support.

As somebody that once got upset over the idea of female only sessions at swimming pools, I am not sure you are the best placed person to deliver that message.

I'm vehemently opposed to segregation and descrimination. That's why I support banning of men's clubs.

On this actual subject, women's only pool hours actually enforces the concept of toxic masculinity.

Karl wrote:Linux is the only socially just operating system

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A company spokesman said: “We had no idea that this advert would be so effective, especially after a recent advert for vegan sausage rolls failed so spectacularly to provoke angry middle-aged men.

“Who could have predicted this reaction and the avalanche of free publicity we received from it? Certainly not our marketing department.”

Karl wrote:Linux is the only socially just operating system

Moggy wrote:

captain red dog wrote:

Moggy wrote:

captain red dog wrote:

Photek wrote:

captain red dog wrote:Personally I found the advert a little patronising coming from a company like Gillette and P&C who are well known for exceedingly dodgy business practices. Take one look at their corporate structure and you can see that they are as much to blame for "toxic masculinity" as the people they are aiming this advert at. I'm surprised at just how easily that people who support these causes seem to forget to look into the companies that are pushing these messages and reflect that back on them a little. That would represent real change.

What aboutism.

It's not whataboutism. It's a company that doesn't reflect in any shape or form the message they are seeking to make a profit from, and actually their own practices go against that message. If they actually had a gender and race balanced board, didn't exploit child labour, didn't discriminate on grounds of gender targeted price hikes, I might at least be able to take them seriously when they push a message I strongly support.

As somebody that once got upset over the idea of female only sessions at swimming pools, I am not sure you are the best placed person to deliver that message.

I'm vehemently opposed to segregation and descrimination. That's why I support banning of men's clubs.

On this actual subject, women's only pool hours actually enforces the concept of toxic masculinity.

I agree with you. I can’t wait for mixed sex changing rooms and communal showers.

Sandy wrote:

Moggy wrote:Bill Gates gives loads of money to charity BUT Windows ME was gooseberry fool so strawberry float him.

He'll have been one of the main driving forces behind erradicating Polio before he dies but people will only remember him for inflicting Windows Vista upon us.