GRcade - The Next Generation

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PostRe: GRcade - The Next Generation
by Jenuall » Tue Jan 23, 2024 9:38 am

Yeah I see what you mean. Does feel like an odd way of doing things, if you want a large block of text with blank lines to have formatting you have to essentially apply the tags to each paragraph...

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PostRe: GRcade - The Next Generation
by Winckle » Tue Jan 23, 2024 10:12 am

Cuttooth wrote:
Jenuall wrote:Spoiler boxes can be re-hidden if you use the right kind of markup. I think if you start your content with >! then whatever you type next gets put into a little section that you can expand and then close again.

Playing around with this makes me realise that the formatting tags stop at line breaks.

e.g If you have **bold text
on continuous lines** it'll look like bold text
across two lines
.

If you have **bold

text across a paragraph it'll just look like this**

Similarly if someone types up a long paragraph or dumps one in and puts spoiler tags around it, I think only everything up to the first line break after the >! gets hidden within a Details box.

Is that the way it's supposed to work?

EDIT - Not actually sure line break is the right term but hopefully you get what I mean.

I've just had a quick play with this and you are correct in how it works.

However, you can also use classic BBCode. If you use the old style

Code: Select all

[b]some bold text[/b]


That will ignore line breaks and boldify the whole thing.

We should migrate GRcade to Flarum. :toot:
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PostRe: GRcade - The Next Generation
by Roonmastor » Tue Jan 23, 2024 10:45 am

site23 wrote:I've been kind of involved in this "secretly". It's not really a secret, but what I mean is I'm not spearheading it or officially part of the team; I just help Winckle out here and there.

It's no-one's fault, but I think something that hasn't been communicated well is that the problems we've had the forum recently -- slowing to a crawl, threads and searches not working properly -- are going to get worse and worse until the forum just doesn't really work.

If we keep going as we are, eventually there will be a 'gooseberry fool Tuesday' and the forum just won't come back up. The problem will be too big for Winckle to solve and the website will just disappear.

Migrating a database as old and broken as GRcade's to a new software is a really Herculean effort, which has taken Winckle about a year, and has been done to ensure the forum has a future.

It's not Winckle's or my intent to annoy anyone with the changes, drive anyone away, or come across as 'authoritarian'. Feedback is an important part of this process, and we're both monitoring this thread for feedback and implementing everything we can. The change isn't going to happen tomorrow: we'll make sure we've done as much as possible before hitting the switch. And I'm (gladly) not privy to this bit, but I'm sure nothing will happen without a go-ahead from the mod room, too.

But certain changes might not be possible. It's a different software with a different design philosophy.

Anyway, to address it directly, I'm looking at pages. It's not looking promising, because the extension support isn't there. That means I would have to program a system for us to use from scratch, and commit to maintaining it. The Flarum extension API is not guaranteed to be stable, so it means the forum software couldn't be updated (e.g. with security updates) without me looking at the pagination code I had written too. This is a lot to put on someone who isn't an admin or team member and doesn't really want to commit to being involved with this website. But I am thinking about it and if it seems feasible I will try my best.

Sorry for the long post.


Can we get some of the key points in this post put into the OP.

I think the problems with staying the same need highlighting and communicating strongly and as much as possible if there is going to be compromised acceptance of the new forum being a bit different. :)

My original read was "We've had a few issues, we're changing forum software for ease", and it seems it's much more "the ship is sinking, we need a new ship" (but a bit less dramatic.)

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PostRe: GRcade - The Next Generation
by Jenuall » Tue Jan 23, 2024 11:31 am

I'm not sure it even is less dramatic - the ship really is sinking and we could very well be strawberry floated if we don't do something sooner rather than later! :dread:

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PostRe: GRcade - The Next Generation
by Oblomov Boblomov » Tue Jan 23, 2024 12:47 pm

Jenuall wrote:I'm not sure it even is less dramatic - the ship really is sinking and we could very well be strawberry floated if we don't do something sooner rather than later! :dread:

I agree with Jen – there's no way this could be considered less dramatic than drowning at sea. Don't you know how long it took me to get the post count to pull this off?!

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PostRe: GRcade - The Next Generation
by Victor Mildew » Tue Jan 23, 2024 1:03 pm

I just want to say that over these past few years, I've come to regard you all as people I met.

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PostRe: GRcade - The Next Generation
by site23 » Tue Jan 23, 2024 1:15 pm

Oblomov Boblomov wrote:
Jenuall wrote:I'm not sure it even is less dramatic - the ship really is sinking and we could very well be strawberry floated if we don't do something sooner rather than later! :dread:

I agree with Jen – there's no way this could be considered less dramatic than drowning at sea.

:lol: :lol:

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PostRe: GRcade - The Next Generation
by Knoyleo » Tue Jan 23, 2024 1:17 pm

Oblomov Boblomov wrote:
Jenuall wrote:I'm not sure it even is less dramatic - the ship really is sinking and we could very well be strawberry floated if we don't do something sooner rather than later! :dread:

I agree with Jen – there's no way this could be considered less dramatic than drowning at sea. Don't you know how long it took me to get the post count to pull this off?!

That's quite a post count you've got there, be a shame if it went down like the Titanic.

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PostRe: GRcade - The Next Generation
by Winckle » Tue Jan 23, 2024 1:27 pm

If it helps user post count totals are migrated. :)

We should migrate GRcade to Flarum. :toot:
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PostRe: GRcade - The Next Generation
by site23 » Tue Jan 23, 2024 1:30 pm

Winckle wrote:If it helps user post count totals are migrated. :)

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PostRe: GRcade - The Next Generation
by Imrahil » Tue Jan 23, 2024 1:33 pm

Can you add a zero to my post count pls on the new forum. Thx.

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PostRe: GRcade - The Next Generation
by Sprouty » Tue Jan 23, 2024 3:28 pm

I think the style seems more modern. If it runs a lot better than phpbb, thats a big win for the staff with no major impact on users.

Code / formatting options for posts seem slightly less intuitive, but I don't think anyone who is used to the current platform would be unable to adapt. It would be useful to have some guidance added when we migrate.

Also, we obviously need our smilies bought over!

Overall, I feel like this change will have minimal impact.

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PostRe: GRcade - The Next Generation
by Jenuall » Tue Jan 23, 2024 3:44 pm

Oblomov Boblomov wrote:
Jenuall wrote:I'm not sure it even is less dramatic - the ship really is sinking and we could very well be strawberry floated if we don't do something sooner rather than later! :dread:

I agree with Jen – there's no way this could be considered less dramatic than drowning at sea. Don't you know how long it took me to get the post count to pull this off?!

Like I care, I'll be happily sailing off in the lifeboat whilst everyone else drowns as they were too busy judging how the new boat "is just one long promenade, it doesn't have separate decks!"

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PostRe: GRcade - The Next Generation
by Herdanos » Tue Jan 23, 2024 3:48 pm

Herdanos wrote:Is it possible to change the icons that appear next to "Games" (the controller), "Stuff" (the star), etc? And if so can we change them to custom images or do we have to choose from a predetermined list?

The reason I asked - I wonder if some of the less enthusiastic responses to the new design are in part motivated because the new homepage looks a bit (absolutely no offence intended here) generic? Whereas with current GR, the generic aspects have become familiar and thus treated fondly, but we also have custom touches in play (the custom logos, affiliate links, etc).

If saving the emoticons wholesale isn't an option we could use some of the current imagery on the homepage rather than the preset icons? See (very rough) example below:

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(I used the SONM logo for the Games icon because [IIRC?] there was talk a few years ago about amending the forum logo [in part motivated out of fear we lack the rights to both the Pac-Man and Space Invader elements?] and it had been proposed we incorporate the SONM logo somehow, as a nod to their community being part of ours now - I figured this might achieve that! I also looked at incorporating the Grackler, until I learnt that GNamer is Still A Thing)

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PostRe: GRcade - The Next Generation
by Cheeky Devlin » Tue Jan 23, 2024 4:39 pm

Herdanos wrote:
Herdanos wrote:Is it possible to change the icons that appear next to "Games" (the controller), "Stuff" (the star), etc? And if so can we change them to custom images or do we have to choose from a predetermined list?

The reason I asked - I wonder if some of the less enthusiastic responses to the new design are in part motivated because the new homepage looks a bit (absolutely no offence intended here) generic? Whereas with current GR, the generic aspects have become familiar and thus treated fondly, but we also have custom touches in play (the custom logos, affiliate links, etc).

If saving the emoticons wholesale isn't an option we could use some of the current imagery on the homepage rather than the preset icons? See (very rough) example below:

Image


(I used the SONM logo for the Games icon because [IIRC?] there was talk a few years ago about amending the forum logo [in part motivated out of fear we lack the rights to both the Pac-Man and Space Invader elements?] and it had been proposed we incorporate the SONM logo somehow, as a nod to their community being part of ours now - I figured this might achieve that! I also looked at incorporating the Grackler, until I learnt that GNamer is Still A Thing)

I was going to suggest a system similar to the one we have for logos, where people can submit custom images for the front page sections?
So that "Games" segment would be text over an image background. It could be an image related to a thread (Perhaps the most recent thread with an image in OP?), or it could be an ongoing event like the Game Awards, or something.

Something like this, but with the text formatted better to be more readable.
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Maybe where we don't have a specific thread image we can use a member made placeholder?

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PostRe: GRcade - The Next Generation
by Balladeer » Tue Jan 23, 2024 5:15 pm

Herdanos wrote:I also looked at incorporating the Grackler, until I learnt that GNamer is Still A Thing)

Very much so, we still average over 200 posts a month! :capnscotty:

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PostRe: GRcade - The Next Generation
by SEP » Tue Jan 23, 2024 6:10 pm

Herdanos wrote:
Herdanos wrote:Is it possible to change the icons that appear next to "Games" (the controller), "Stuff" (the star), etc? And if so can we change them to custom images or do we have to choose from a predetermined list?

The reason I asked - I wonder if some of the less enthusiastic responses to the new design are in part motivated because the new homepage looks a bit (absolutely no offence intended here) generic? Whereas with current GR, the generic aspects have become familiar and thus treated fondly, but we also have custom touches in play (the custom logos, affiliate links, etc).

If saving the emoticons wholesale isn't an option we could use some of the current imagery on the homepage rather than the preset icons? See (very rough) example below:

Image


(I used the SONM logo for the Games icon because [IIRC?] there was talk a few years ago about amending the forum logo [in part motivated out of fear we lack the rights to both the Pac-Man and Space Invader elements?] and it had been proposed we incorporate the SONM logo somehow, as a nod to their community being part of ours now - I figured this might achieve that! I also looked at incorporating the Grackler, until I learnt that GNamer is Still A Thing)


I love this, because it means Captain Scotty becomes part of the design of the forum, solving the issue I brought up before.

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PostRe: GRcade - The Next Generation
by Pedz » Tue Jan 23, 2024 7:34 pm

You know when you have pinned topics on the left of the screen, is it possible to have followed topics at the top of the pinned list?

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PostRe: GRcade - The Next Generation
by Sprouty » Wed Jan 24, 2024 1:00 am

I've noticed that you can see who has voted for what option in old polls over on Flarum. Let it be known that I tend to give dumb answers to anonymous questions online to give myself a brief chuckle! :lol: Going to have to stop with that habit. :oops:

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PostRe: GRcade - The Next Generation
by Winckle » Wed Jan 24, 2024 2:28 am

Ugh we were working on the polls overnight hoping nobody would notice.

Well the permissions are sorted now. Old polls are migrated, and you shouldn't be able to see how people voted in migrated polls.

If you'd like you can make polls that aren't anonymous now, but to reiterate all migrated polls have been marked as anonymous voting.

We should migrate GRcade to Flarum. :toot:

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