GRcade solves... Abortion

Denster wrote:

Drunken_Master wrote:

Cubeamania wrote:libertarianism

Where you an I differ is to when we regard the baby/foetus a sentient being. I believe that *it* becomes sentient from within the womb, studies have shown foetuses/unborn babies respond to outside stimuli, be it music, or the prospective parents talking to their children. (Although this maybe purely psychological).

'You're not a human being until you're in my phonebook.'
Bill Hicks.

He was saying it for comedic effect.

Duh.

I can't be bothered to read through the first 5 pages, so what's the consensus? have we managed to solve the abortion question? i'm the answer is no having just read the above posts.

Anung Un Rama wrote:

Drunken_Master wrote:

Denster wrote:

Drunken_Master wrote:

Cubeamania wrote:libertarianism

Where you an I differ is to when we regard the baby/foetus a sentient being. I believe that *it* becomes sentient from within the womb, studies have shown foetuses/unborn babies respond to outside stimuli, be it music, or the prospective parents talking to their children. (Although this maybe purely psychological).

'You're not a human being until you're in my phonebook.'
Bill Hicks.

He was saying it for comedic effect.

Duh.

You are a moron.

Why?

You're a moron for saying I'm a moron when not indicating why.

Oh and I was being facetious you twat faced fuckhead.

Drunken_Master wrote:

Denster wrote:

Drunken_Master wrote:

Cubeamania wrote:libertarianism

Where you an I differ is to when we regard the baby/foetus a sentient being. I believe that *it* becomes sentient from within the womb, studies have shown foetuses/unborn babies respond to outside stimuli, be it music, or the prospective parents talking to their children. (Although this maybe purely psychological).

'You're not a human being until you're in my phonebook.'
Bill Hicks.

He was saying it for comedic effect.

Duh.

But also making the point that foetuses are not human beings - particularly early on.

Denster wrote:

Drunken_Master wrote:

Denster wrote:

Drunken_Master wrote:

Cubeamania wrote:libertarianism

Where you an I differ is to when we regard the baby/foetus a sentient being. I believe that *it* becomes sentient from within the womb, studies have shown foetuses/unborn babies respond to outside stimuli, be it music, or the prospective parents talking to their children. (Although this maybe purely psychological).

'You're not a human being until you're in my phonebook.'
Bill Hicks.

He was saying it for comedic effect.

Duh.

But also making the point that foetuses are not human beings - particularly early on.

I said they were sentient. This was in response to

'Even UK law states that it is only human life once the foetus is born.'

Are they sentient though?

A plant responds to stimuli. Is it sentient?

Is bum doctor a murderer because he chops down trees.

Denster wrote:Are they sentient though?

A plant responds to stimuli. Is it sentient?

Is bum doctor a murderer because he chops down trees.

Like I said, I was responding to the 'foetuses aren't human, till they're born' argument. Perhaps I should have said intelligence, or awareness of capacity to feel pain.

ho hum.

Oh and Bum Doctor looks like a murderer.

It seems we are in accord then i think.

Oh and twatfaced fuckhead is a fine retort by the way!

Anung Un Rama wrote:Chickens are probbaly a whole lot more sentient than foetuses, and i have no problem murdering them.

Edit: Drunken Master, Stop being a belief sheep.

I never said I was against abortion, did I? strawberry floats sake. All, I'm doing is just echoing the view that there should be cutoff point for when abortions should be allowed.

Oh, and chickens won't grow up to be human, will they?



Guess I should have used a better word than 'sentient'

Anung Un Rama wrote:Chickens are probbaly a whole lot more sentient than foetuses, and i have no problem murdering them.

Do you murder them yourself.
You strawberry floating psycho!

God - all he does is post excessively and kill domestic fowl. What have we let into our midst?

Aaarrrgh he's probably killing one now while he posts to me. strawberry floating sick puppy!

Anung Un Rama wrote:For someone who is against abortion, your sure as hell word it horribly.

They might one day....who knows.

For the last time, I never said I was against abortion. I was responding the the libertarian.

Anung Un Rama wrote:

Drunken_Master wrote:

Anung Un Rama wrote:For someone who is against abortion, your sure as hell word it horribly.

They might one day....who knows.

For the last time, I never said I was against abortion. I was responding the the libertarian.

Then i like you again. Wets be fwiends.

high five! apologies for the twat comment. I'm having a bad day.

Hooray were all friends again.

Although im not sure Anung i mean chicken murderer and megadeth fan. Its a lot to forgive!

Anung Un Rama wrote:

Drunken_Master wrote:

Anung Un Rama wrote:

Drunken_Master wrote:

Anung Un Rama wrote:For someone who is against abortion, your sure as hell word it horribly.

They might one day....who knows.

For the last time, I never said I was against abortion. I was responding the the libertarian.

Then i like you again. Wets be fwiends.

high five! apologies for the twat comment. I'm having a bad day.

Its okay, i didnt mean when i called you a monkey Rim jobber.

And Denster....the Police got involved, they said the chicken murders may have been Fowl play!

Thats a poultry gag.

Anung Un Rama wrote:
Its okay, i didnt mean when i called you a monkey Rim jobber.

I was gibbering with anger at that! I shouldn't have aped your behaviour.

And at last the thread has been derailed. Like so many threads before it.

Add a poll to this topic- should abortion be legal?

Memento Mori wrote:Add a poll to this topic- should abortion be legal?

Why?

Only an anti-freedom shitface would vote no.

Cubeamania wrote:libertarianism

I do not see what Libertarianism, ie. less goverment, less hand holding and less interference from the state, has to do with us debating the moral question of when a foetus has rights, or what point it becomes a 'human being'.

You can argue that the state shouldn't impose or interfere in someone's life and that people should be able to do what they want with their own bodies, but I would say it's a bit of a cop out and deflecting from the nitty gritty of whether abortion is right or wrong.

In fact I'd say they are two different debates.