Mafro wrote:Manchester United. But then again, I voted for Ashley Cole as best Left Back since he's the obvious choice so the point you are trying to make has fallen on its arse. Giggs is consistently voted as the bet Left Winger ever in the Premier Leage in pretty much every pool I've ever seen for it, but lets just ignore that and put it down to personal bias, shall we?
Giggs is far from an obvious choice and your (understandable) bias towards him is preventing you from seeing that - yes, he's won more trophies than anyone else, yes, he's played for a remarkable amount of time and yes, in his prime he was a superb winger. But not the best winger we've seen in this league and he certainly didn't maintain that peak as long as some other players in the same position - and he also played in a much superior team. For all those reasons I'd argue that Bale, for one, is a better left winger. Yes, Giggs often receives accolades for his career (or at least, he did until all those stories about his personal life broke). But those awards are for his longevity. His Sports Personality award was simply a lifetime achievement award. He's never won PFA or Football Writer's Player of the Year because his feats are impressive due to the sheet length time they've been achieved in and sustained for, but he's never been world-class for a solid season, unlike the likes of Bale, Ronaldo, Henry etc.
Mafro wrote:Just out of interest, who did you vote for?
No-one, I missed the first rounds. If I were to vote it would be for Bale.
degoose wrote:Dan. wrote:Only a Spurs fan, in a year when they're on course for a second successive top four place, would count (newly-promoted) West Ham amongst a list of "big" clubs.
that statement about spurs and then counting west ham just makes no sense.
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Yes it does. You're a London club on the rise nervously looking over your shoulder at a historic threat. No-one except West Ham seriously considers West Ham a 'big club', but out of sheer pessimism I can understand why Spurs fans would always tread with care.
degoose wrote:Dan. wrote:Just like the PFA then. If you can't vote for your team's player, then vote for someone who isn't their main rival for the spot.
again another confusing post by you Dan , who would be the rival do you mean pires if so then no i was never as impressed about pires as i was with Mcmanaman. I'm not one of these silly fans who would never vote for an arsenal fan because i am a spurs fan in fact Henry will be my choice for one of the strikers as he was amazing.
Calm down. This was not a comment made as an attack on you. Mockmaster brought up the PFA Player of the Year awards' rule where no-one is allowed to vote for a player from their own club. In response to this you mentioned that to comply with this rule you'd change your vote to McManaman - a player no-one had mentioned previously. Which is very much akin to the way players at certain clubs vote for players not expected to compete for the award, so as to not aid their rivals and act to the detriment of their own players' chances. For example, I'd happily bet that not one Manchester United player voted for Suarez for this year's award, and that not one Liverpool player voted for van Persie. (Which might explain why Hazard ended up on the shortlist...)