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by Ecno » Tue May 26, 2020 2:27 pm

Saint of Killers wrote:Have you been able to chat to a physio? Those runs definitely sound like they're hampering your recovery.


We had a couple of calls in the first few weeks of April.

I was in the middle of gradually building up the running. Was supposed to get to 3 runs of about 25 minutes at the end of April/Start of May. Only really managed it in the last couple of weeks. But will probably drop the mileage slight for a couple of weeks.

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by Saint of Killers » Tue May 26, 2020 2:40 pm

Sounds trite but yeah, listen to your body.

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by Oblomov Boblomov » Tue May 26, 2020 2:46 pm

Three 5k runs a week would do me over when I'm in peak condition, let alone trying to recover from an injury! :lol:

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by Hime » Wed May 27, 2020 8:47 am

Down to 178lbs now and not sure if I should keep cutting. I'm really happy with my physique but much like the theme of Rocsteady's thread I know that I could be leaner. The problem is both cutting while doing suboptimal training and looking really skinny with a t-shirt on just to have slightly more defined abs.

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by That's not a growth » Wed May 27, 2020 10:43 am

My mentality is that since I can't get to the gym to lift properly now is a decent time to cut, with an aim of clean bulking once lock down is done. Knowing me it won't work out like that, but a man can dream.

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by Rocsteady » Thu May 28, 2020 9:17 am

In cutting as well, feel pretty good about it. Feel nice and light in day to day life at the moment.

Don't fill out my t shirts as well as I used to but it got the point where I didn't really have an option not to cut. Cut down my daily meals from 5 to essentially 3.5 and was still gaining belly fat, is crazy how many calories heavy lifting must burn.

Also, gyms here are opening up on June 6. My immune system is pretty ruined so not sure I'm day 1 but doubt I'll be able to hold out for long.

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by Grumpy David » Fri Jun 12, 2020 12:07 am

Winckle wrote:I don’t consider myself a gym bro by any means, but I’ve been losing weight and getting healthier and it’s tough to stay on track when the only exercises I’ve ever enjoyed in my life are now off limits to me. It’s also disheartening knowing that I’ve lost a lot of my strength and will have to start my progression from he beginning again.

Also going the gym and burning calories accelerated my weight loss, I’ve had to cut my eating back to less than 1,700 calories a day, which isn’t that fun.


Yeah you've done incredibly well! You started at a very heavy 130kg from memory? I was happy with getting from 105kg to 80kg (I herniated a disc and did no exercise and just ballooned up) but I think you've lost more total weight from a tougher starting point.

When you get to be that size, most cardio options just become very difficult to get good at since stamina will be low and injury risk is so high (130kg dudes do not have knee joints and ligaments prepared for running) whilst weight training lets you see progress much easier and earlier and the overall larger body lets you keep see progress for longer too.

The good thing is that muscle memory isn't actually Bro Science but legit science so regaining gains really do occur much faster than the original time to reach it. I went 5 years without weight training between 2011 and 2016. It had taken me years to bench press 100kg for reps and a PB of 112.5kg. After my long hiatus I regained the vast majority of my strength and size within 3 months and set a new PB of 120kg (whilst weighing less too) after 9 months of training.

Less than 1700 calories would have me utterly miserable! I've been aiming to do 10,000 steps each day which according to Fitbit usually gets my total calories burnt to 3100 or 3300. Even assuming it's over estimating true calories burnt figure by 15% it would still be a huge calorie deficit.

Dieting during lockdown is harder in some respects too since I'm really bored of cooking so many meals for myself so my takeaway frequency has increased a lot. Thankfully I'm reaching nearly 100 days without alcohol so those calories not being consumed help offset the damage done by increasing frequency of takeaway!

Thankfully we're hopefully less than a month away from experiencing the absolute worst DOMS of all time when we go crazy at the gym! :toot:

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by Winckle » Fri Jun 12, 2020 8:32 am

Grumpy David wrote:
Winckle wrote:I don’t consider myself a gym bro by any means, but I’ve been losing weight and getting healthier and it’s tough to stay on track when the only exercises I’ve ever enjoyed in my life are now off limits to me. It’s also disheartening knowing that I’ve lost a lot of my strength and will have to start my progression from he beginning again.

Also going the gym and burning calories accelerated my weight loss, I’ve had to cut my eating back to less than 1,700 calories a day, which isn’t that fun.


Yeah you've done incredibly well! You started at a very heavy 130kg from memory? I was happy with getting from 105kg to 80kg (I herniated a disc and did no exercise and just ballooned up) but I think you've lost more total weight from a tougher starting point.

When you get to be that size, most cardio options just become very difficult to get good at since stamina will be low and injury risk is so high (130kg dudes do not have knee joints and ligaments prepared for running) whilst weight training lets you see progress much easier and earlier and the overall larger body lets you keep see progress for longer too.

The good thing is that muscle memory isn't actually Bro Science but legit science so regaining gains really do occur much faster than the original time to reach it. I went 5 years without weight training between 2011 and 2016. It had taken me years to bench press 100kg for reps and a PB of 112.5kg. After my long hiatus I regained the vast majority of my strength and size within 3 months and set a new PB of 120kg (whilst weighing less too) after 9 months of training.

Less than 1700 calories would have me utterly miserable! I've been aiming to do 10,000 steps each day which according to Fitbit usually gets my total calories burnt to 3100 or 3300. Even assuming it's over estimating true calories burnt figure by 15% it would still be a huge calorie deficit.

Dieting during lockdown is harder in some respects too since I'm really bored of cooking so many meals for myself so my takeaway frequency has increased a lot. Thankfully I'm reaching nearly 100 days without alcohol so those calories not being consumed help offset the damage done by increasing frequency of takeaway!

Thankfully we're hopefully less than a month away from experiencing the absolute worst DOMS of all time when we go crazy at the gym! :toot:

I was 136KG last March when I started trying to get my weight under control, I'm currently 99KG, I was 98KG last week but then a BBQ happened.

I'm glad to hear that you can get it back quickly, is there any research on why that is? I've hardly drank at all for a while, and virtually nothing since the football stopped, I would usually have 2 pints at Anfield.

As for DOMS, we'll all be walking down the stairs backwards the day after our first sets of squats. :lol:

Here's a before/after:
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by That's not a growth » Fri Jun 12, 2020 8:51 am

Winckle wrote:
Grumpy David wrote:
Winckle wrote:I don’t consider myself a gym bro by any means, but I’ve been losing weight and getting healthier and it’s tough to stay on track when the only exercises I’ve ever enjoyed in my life are now off limits to me. It’s also disheartening knowing that I’ve lost a lot of my strength and will have to start my progression from he beginning again.

Also going the gym and burning calories accelerated my weight loss, I’ve had to cut my eating back to less than 1,700 calories a day, which isn’t that fun.


Yeah you've done incredibly well! You started at a very heavy 130kg from memory? I was happy with getting from 105kg to 80kg (I herniated a disc and did no exercise and just ballooned up) but I think you've lost more total weight from a tougher starting point.

When you get to be that size, most cardio options just become very difficult to get good at since stamina will be low and injury risk is so high (130kg dudes do not have knee joints and ligaments prepared for running) whilst weight training lets you see progress much easier and earlier and the overall larger body lets you keep see progress for longer too.

The good thing is that muscle memory isn't actually Bro Science but legit science so regaining gains really do occur much faster than the original time to reach it. I went 5 years without weight training between 2011 and 2016. It had taken me years to bench press 100kg for reps and a PB of 112.5kg. After my long hiatus I regained the vast majority of my strength and size within 3 months and set a new PB of 120kg (whilst weighing less too) after 9 months of training.

Less than 1700 calories would have me utterly miserable! I've been aiming to do 10,000 steps each day which according to Fitbit usually gets my total calories burnt to 3100 or 3300. Even assuming it's over estimating true calories burnt figure by 15% it would still be a huge calorie deficit.

Dieting during lockdown is harder in some respects too since I'm really bored of cooking so many meals for myself so my takeaway frequency has increased a lot. Thankfully I'm reaching nearly 100 days without alcohol so those calories not being consumed help offset the damage done by increasing frequency of takeaway!

Thankfully we're hopefully less than a month away from experiencing the absolute worst DOMS of all time when we go crazy at the gym! :toot:

I was 136KG last March when I started trying to get my weight under control, I'm currently 99KG, I was 98KG last week but then a BBQ happened.

I'm glad to hear that you can get it back quickly, is there any research on why that is? I've hardly drank at all for a while, and virtually nothing since the football stopped, I would usually have 2 pints at Anfield.

As for DOMS, we'll all be walking down the stairs backwards the day after our first sets of squats. :lol:

Here's a before/after:
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Damn, that's really good progress, nice one winckle!

I'm trying to lose a further 3-5kg. I'm down to about 78, from about 82 from late Feb and about 88 a year ago (I'm about 6'1 for reference).

Think I might have to start cutting out my weekly bottle of wine and desserts to get over the line :dread:

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by Hime » Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:20 am

That's inspirational Winckle, especially when we know the calorie deficit you've been in to achieve that.

Face looks chiseled, you're only a tribal tattoo and a stringer away from being a gym bro at this stage.

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by Winckle » Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:24 am

My goal weight is 86KG, so a way to go yet. I actually find it hard to look at old photos of myself now, I didn't realise how unhealthy I looked. :(

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by Hime » Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:31 am

Winckle wrote:My goal weight is 86KG, so a way to go yet. I actually find it hard to look at old photos of myself now, I didn't realise how unhealthy I looked. :(

Why 86kg if you don't mind me asking? You'll probably find you'll get a bit of body recomposition one you start lifting again.

I don't mean to be patronising but as you're approaching what you think is your goal weight it would probably be good to start taking progress pictures of your physique. I've gotten into the scale weight addiction before and it's easy to lose focus on what you're trying to achieve just to hit a certain number.

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by Rocsteady » Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:35 am

Great work winckle!

I'm at 83kg just now, dropped about 4kg during lockdown (intentionally, my belly was getting awful). Need to pack some muscle back on.

Went back to the gym from Monday. My arms, thighs and chest have been in non stop pain since the start of the week. It's beautiful :cry:

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by Winckle » Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:48 am

Hime wrote:
Winckle wrote:My goal weight is 86KG, so a way to go yet. I actually find it hard to look at old photos of myself now, I didn't realise how unhealthy I looked. :(

Why 86kg if you don't mind me asking? You'll probably find you'll get a bit of body recomposition one you start lifting again.

I don't mean to be patronising but as you're approaching what you think is your goal weight it would probably be good to start taking progress pictures of your physique. I've gotten into the scale weight addiction before and it's easy to lose focus on what you're trying to achieve just to hit a certain number.

At my height (192cm), 86KG puts me slap in the middle of a healthy BMI. I've still got quite a belly to get rid of, so more cutting needed for sure.

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by Hime » Fri Jun 12, 2020 10:28 am

Winckle wrote:
Hime wrote:
Winckle wrote:My goal weight is 86KG, so a way to go yet. I actually find it hard to look at old photos of myself now, I didn't realise how unhealthy I looked. :(

Why 86kg if you don't mind me asking? You'll probably find you'll get a bit of body recomposition one you start lifting again.

I don't mean to be patronising but as you're approaching what you think is your goal weight it would probably be good to start taking progress pictures of your physique. I've gotten into the scale weight addiction before and it's easy to lose focus on what you're trying to achieve just to hit a certain number.

At my height (192cm), 86KG puts me slap in the middle of a healthy BMI. I've still got quite a belly to get rid of, so more cutting needed for sure.

I wouldn't use BMI as an indicator if you're lifting weights, you want to think more about body fat with the obvious indicator being visible abs. This isn't an exact science as your fat distribution is determined by genetics but it's a reasonable measure of being in the 10-15% range.

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by blackoutHERO » Fri Jun 12, 2020 10:45 am

Class work. Looking well better.

At 6'4 you should shoot for higher than 86kg in my opinion. That's a big frame to fill but if you can be a healthy 95 and put on some prime slabs of muscles you'll be looking tidy.

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by Hime » Fri Jun 12, 2020 11:03 am

I guess it depends on your goal. From what I can tell the modern advice seems to be get as lean as you'd like then just stay in a small calorie surplus for as long as possible until you feel the need to cut. Strength athletes get to a weight and hold while driving up their lifts. I guess it depends what you want.

What do you lot tend to do?

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by BTB » Fri Jun 12, 2020 11:10 am

Great progress Winckle!

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by blackoutHERO » Fri Jun 12, 2020 11:27 am

Hime wrote:I guess it depends on your goal. From what I can tell the modern advice seems to be get as you can as you'd like them just stay in a small calorie surplus for as long as possible until you feel the need to cut. Strength athletes get to a weight and hold while driving up their lifts. I guess it depends what you want.

What do you lot tend to do?


Personally I know I shouldn't be going over 100kg. If I do I then make a change. I know I shouldn't be under 95kg. If I do I make a change. This comes with experience of knowing my body and what I want though to be fair.

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by Grumpy David » Fri Jun 12, 2020 7:49 pm

Winckle wrote:I was 136KG last March when I started trying to get my weight under control, I'm currently 99KG, I was 98KG last week but then a BBQ happened.

I'm glad to hear that you can get it back quickly, is there any research on why that is? I've hardly drank at all for a while, and virtually nothing since the football stopped, I would usually have 2 pints at Anfield.

As for DOMS, we'll all be walking down the stairs backwards the day after our first sets of squats. :lol:

Here's a before/after:
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strawberry floating amazing progress dude! Jawline gains! :datass: For far too long I just assumed you were KarlProf's alt account. :shifty:

There's journal Wikipedia references regarding strength training here although it's the experience of everyone who's ever taken a long time off too that just regaining is easier than the initial process. Which is partly why DOMS will be super awful after a long time off since you can do far more than the untrained person doing their first session.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscle_memory_(strength_training)#cite_note-Bruusgaard-3
Perhaps with as steep a calorie deficit as you're doing it might be harder though!

Alcohol is the worst type of calorie to consume and whilst I'm no big football fan by an means, my decision to go as long as I have done without a drink doesn't coincide with lockdown but rather United's last Premier league game hah! But I was never one to drink at home, only when out socialising so I find it easy enough.

I was benching 100KG 6x5 before lockdown without a spotter. Whilst I suspect I'll need to restart on 80KG 3x5 but whilst that will be the best part of 4 months without lifting, I suspect with 3 sessions a week I'll be doing 100kg 3x5 by early August. All aboard the Gainz Train as it waits for no man!

Might put a pic of myself up, all this outdoor running has given my otherwise naturally pale Irish skin some light tan and freckles gainz. :datass:


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