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PostRe: Half of UK adults still get their news from newspaper brands; BBC One most important - Ofcom
by Knoyleo » Fri Jul 26, 2019 11:34 am

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I am surprised that the numbers are still that high for newspapers, I can't remember the last time I even read one.


When you look at opinions of the general public I think that surprise drops off.

I suspect a good chunk of the people “that get their news from the papers” are literally reading the headline as they pick up their 12 litres of white lightning and forming all their opinions from that.

This is sneeringly classist from someone who has claimed to be politically left leaning.

Or is this one of your "ironic" posting like a right wing reactionary, posts?


To be fair to Errkal, his post isn’t inaccurate. There are a lot of people like that.

There are a lot of people who self report that they get their news by glancing at newspaper headlines while buying cheap cider?

I get the point behind what Errkal is presumably trying to say, as Karl said, there is a serious problem with lack of political engagement in working class communities. But that he paints this as people "glancing at headlines as they're buying white lightning," only serves to perpetuate stereotypes about feckless layabouts, whose disinterest in politics is a result of their own poor life choices, rather than the consequence of a system that is designed to try and keep people disengaged. It's talk designed to belittle poor communities who are disengaged, and paint them as people who don't want to help themselves, so why should we help them anyway?


They don’t need to self report, those people exist. I know several of them.

The reasons for it are thanks to decades of right wing policies and the left wing ignoring them. But those people exist.

It’s not a representation of the whole of the working class, they are a tiny part of it, but those people are around.

And they not only exist but they usually have pretty far right views that they’ve picked up from those Mail, Sun and Express headlines. Everything is the fault of immigrants, all politicians are the same, Nigel will save us and Corbyn is a lefty lightweight who will let in hoards of Muslim rapists.

Those people should be helped, but don’t go expecting them to vote for it.

It's not about whether people like that exist. It's about sweeping, belittling statements, that do nothing but write people off. What benefit is there in speculating that a good chunk of people who get their news from newspapers are feckless alcoholics?


There’s zero benefit.

But that doesn’t mean it isn’t true.

Except it blatantly isn't true, is it?

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PostRe: Half of UK adults still get their news from newspaper brands; BBC One most important - Ofcom
by Moggy » Fri Jul 26, 2019 11:58 am

Knoyleo wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Knoyleo wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Knoyleo wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Knoyleo wrote:
Errkal wrote:
Moggy wrote:
I am surprised that the numbers are still that high for newspapers, I can't remember the last time I even read one.


When you look at opinions of the general public I think that surprise drops off.

I suspect a good chunk of the people “that get their news from the papers” are literally reading the headline as they pick up their 12 litres of white lightning and forming all their opinions from that.

This is sneeringly classist from someone who has claimed to be politically left leaning.

Or is this one of your "ironic" posting like a right wing reactionary, posts?


To be fair to Errkal, his post isn’t inaccurate. There are a lot of people like that.

There are a lot of people who self report that they get their news by glancing at newspaper headlines while buying cheap cider?

I get the point behind what Errkal is presumably trying to say, as Karl said, there is a serious problem with lack of political engagement in working class communities. But that he paints this as people "glancing at headlines as they're buying white lightning," only serves to perpetuate stereotypes about feckless layabouts, whose disinterest in politics is a result of their own poor life choices, rather than the consequence of a system that is designed to try and keep people disengaged. It's talk designed to belittle poor communities who are disengaged, and paint them as people who don't want to help themselves, so why should we help them anyway?


They don’t need to self report, those people exist. I know several of them.

The reasons for it are thanks to decades of right wing policies and the left wing ignoring them. But those people exist.

It’s not a representation of the whole of the working class, they are a tiny part of it, but those people are around.

And they not only exist but they usually have pretty far right views that they’ve picked up from those Mail, Sun and Express headlines. Everything is the fault of immigrants, all politicians are the same, Nigel will save us and Corbyn is a lefty lightweight who will let in hoards of Muslim rapists.

Those people should be helped, but don’t go expecting them to vote for it.

It's not about whether people like that exist. It's about sweeping, belittling statements, that do nothing but write people off. What benefit is there in speculating that a good chunk of people who get their news from newspapers are feckless alcoholics?


There’s zero benefit.

But that doesn’t mean it isn’t true.

Except it blatantly isn't true, is it?


I literally know people that are feckless alcoholics who get their news (if at all) from tabloid headlines.

So yes, it is blatantly true.

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PostRe: Half of UK adults still get their news from newspaper brands; BBC One most important - Ofcom
by Knoyleo » Fri Jul 26, 2019 12:16 pm

Moggy wrote:
Knoyleo wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Knoyleo wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Knoyleo wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Knoyleo wrote:
Errkal wrote:
Moggy wrote:
I am surprised that the numbers are still that high for newspapers, I can't remember the last time I even read one.


When you look at opinions of the general public I think that surprise drops off.

I suspect a good chunk of the people “that get their news from the papers” are literally reading the headline as they pick up their 12 litres of white lightning and forming all their opinions from that.

This is sneeringly classist from someone who has claimed to be politically left leaning.

Or is this one of your "ironic" posting like a right wing reactionary, posts?


To be fair to Errkal, his post isn’t inaccurate. There are a lot of people like that.

There are a lot of people who self report that they get their news by glancing at newspaper headlines while buying cheap cider?

I get the point behind what Errkal is presumably trying to say, as Karl said, there is a serious problem with lack of political engagement in working class communities. But that he paints this as people "glancing at headlines as they're buying white lightning," only serves to perpetuate stereotypes about feckless layabouts, whose disinterest in politics is a result of their own poor life choices, rather than the consequence of a system that is designed to try and keep people disengaged. It's talk designed to belittle poor communities who are disengaged, and paint them as people who don't want to help themselves, so why should we help them anyway?


They don’t need to self report, those people exist. I know several of them.

The reasons for it are thanks to decades of right wing policies and the left wing ignoring them. But those people exist.

It’s not a representation of the whole of the working class, they are a tiny part of it, but those people are around.

And they not only exist but they usually have pretty far right views that they’ve picked up from those Mail, Sun and Express headlines. Everything is the fault of immigrants, all politicians are the same, Nigel will save us and Corbyn is a lefty lightweight who will let in hoards of Muslim rapists.

Those people should be helped, but don’t go expecting them to vote for it.

It's not about whether people like that exist. It's about sweeping, belittling statements, that do nothing but write people off. What benefit is there in speculating that a good chunk of people who get their news from newspapers are feckless alcoholics?


There’s zero benefit.

But that doesn’t mean it isn’t true.

Except it blatantly isn't true, is it?


I literally know people that are feckless alcoholics who get their news (if at all) from tabloid headlines.

So yes, it is blatantly true.

So because you know a number of people like this, they must make up a "good chunk" of people who get news from newspapers? You don't think this is just wild extrapolation based on your own anecdotal experience?

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PostRe: Half of UK adults still get their news from newspaper brands; BBC One most important - Ofcom
by Moggy » Fri Jul 26, 2019 12:18 pm

Knoyleo wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Knoyleo wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Knoyleo wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Knoyleo wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Knoyleo wrote:
Errkal wrote:
Moggy wrote:
I am surprised that the numbers are still that high for newspapers, I can't remember the last time I even read one.


When you look at opinions of the general public I think that surprise drops off.

I suspect a good chunk of the people “that get their news from the papers” are literally reading the headline as they pick up their 12 litres of white lightning and forming all their opinions from that.

This is sneeringly classist from someone who has claimed to be politically left leaning.

Or is this one of your "ironic" posting like a right wing reactionary, posts?


To be fair to Errkal, his post isn’t inaccurate. There are a lot of people like that.

There are a lot of people who self report that they get their news by glancing at newspaper headlines while buying cheap cider?

I get the point behind what Errkal is presumably trying to say, as Karl said, there is a serious problem with lack of political engagement in working class communities. But that he paints this as people "glancing at headlines as they're buying white lightning," only serves to perpetuate stereotypes about feckless layabouts, whose disinterest in politics is a result of their own poor life choices, rather than the consequence of a system that is designed to try and keep people disengaged. It's talk designed to belittle poor communities who are disengaged, and paint them as people who don't want to help themselves, so why should we help them anyway?


They don’t need to self report, those people exist. I know several of them.

The reasons for it are thanks to decades of right wing policies and the left wing ignoring them. But those people exist.

It’s not a representation of the whole of the working class, they are a tiny part of it, but those people are around.

And they not only exist but they usually have pretty far right views that they’ve picked up from those Mail, Sun and Express headlines. Everything is the fault of immigrants, all politicians are the same, Nigel will save us and Corbyn is a lefty lightweight who will let in hoards of Muslim rapists.

Those people should be helped, but don’t go expecting them to vote for it.

It's not about whether people like that exist. It's about sweeping, belittling statements, that do nothing but write people off. What benefit is there in speculating that a good chunk of people who get their news from newspapers are feckless alcoholics?


There’s zero benefit.

But that doesn’t mean it isn’t true.

Except it blatantly isn't true, is it?


I literally know people that are feckless alcoholics who get their news (if at all) from tabloid headlines.

So yes, it is blatantly true.

So because you know a number of people like this, they must make up a "good chunk" of people who get news from newspapers? You don't think this is just wild extrapolation based on your own anecdotal experience?


You think I just happen to know people like that and that they don’t exist anywhere else in the country?

Ok.

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PostRe: Half of UK adults still get their news from newspaper brands; BBC One most important - Ofcom
by Knoyleo » Fri Jul 26, 2019 12:31 pm

Moggy wrote:
Knoyleo wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Knoyleo wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Knoyleo wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Knoyleo wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Knoyleo wrote:
Errkal wrote:
Moggy wrote:
I am surprised that the numbers are still that high for newspapers, I can't remember the last time I even read one.


When you look at opinions of the general public I think that surprise drops off.

I suspect a good chunk of the people “that get their news from the papers” are literally reading the headline as they pick up their 12 litres of white lightning and forming all their opinions from that.

This is sneeringly classist from someone who has claimed to be politically left leaning.

Or is this one of your "ironic" posting like a right wing reactionary, posts?


To be fair to Errkal, his post isn’t inaccurate. There are a lot of people like that.

There are a lot of people who self report that they get their news by glancing at newspaper headlines while buying cheap cider?

I get the point behind what Errkal is presumably trying to say, as Karl said, there is a serious problem with lack of political engagement in working class communities. But that he paints this as people "glancing at headlines as they're buying white lightning," only serves to perpetuate stereotypes about feckless layabouts, whose disinterest in politics is a result of their own poor life choices, rather than the consequence of a system that is designed to try and keep people disengaged. It's talk designed to belittle poor communities who are disengaged, and paint them as people who don't want to help themselves, so why should we help them anyway?


They don’t need to self report, those people exist. I know several of them.

The reasons for it are thanks to decades of right wing policies and the left wing ignoring them. But those people exist.

It’s not a representation of the whole of the working class, they are a tiny part of it, but those people are around.

And they not only exist but they usually have pretty far right views that they’ve picked up from those Mail, Sun and Express headlines. Everything is the fault of immigrants, all politicians are the same, Nigel will save us and Corbyn is a lefty lightweight who will let in hoards of Muslim rapists.

Those people should be helped, but don’t go expecting them to vote for it.

It's not about whether people like that exist. It's about sweeping, belittling statements, that do nothing but write people off. What benefit is there in speculating that a good chunk of people who get their news from newspapers are feckless alcoholics?


There’s zero benefit.

But that doesn’t mean it isn’t true.

Except it blatantly isn't true, is it?


I literally know people that are feckless alcoholics who get their news (if at all) from tabloid headlines.

So yes, it is blatantly true.

So because you know a number of people like this, they must make up a "good chunk" of people who get news from newspapers? You don't think this is just wild extrapolation based on your own anecdotal experience?


You think I just happen to know people like that and that they don’t exist anywhere else in the country?

Ok.

Yes, I genuinely think alcoholism only exists in the area immediately around your house, that's definitely what I'm saying.

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PostRe: Half of UK adults still get their news from newspaper brands; BBC One most important - Ofcom
by Moggy » Fri Jul 26, 2019 12:31 pm

Knoyleo wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Knoyleo wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Knoyleo wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Knoyleo wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Knoyleo wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Knoyleo wrote:
Errkal wrote:
Moggy wrote:
I am surprised that the numbers are still that high for newspapers, I can't remember the last time I even read one.


When you look at opinions of the general public I think that surprise drops off.

I suspect a good chunk of the people “that get their news from the papers” are literally reading the headline as they pick up their 12 litres of white lightning and forming all their opinions from that.

This is sneeringly classist from someone who has claimed to be politically left leaning.

Or is this one of your "ironic" posting like a right wing reactionary, posts?


To be fair to Errkal, his post isn’t inaccurate. There are a lot of people like that.

There are a lot of people who self report that they get their news by glancing at newspaper headlines while buying cheap cider?

I get the point behind what Errkal is presumably trying to say, as Karl said, there is a serious problem with lack of political engagement in working class communities. But that he paints this as people "glancing at headlines as they're buying white lightning," only serves to perpetuate stereotypes about feckless layabouts, whose disinterest in politics is a result of their own poor life choices, rather than the consequence of a system that is designed to try and keep people disengaged. It's talk designed to belittle poor communities who are disengaged, and paint them as people who don't want to help themselves, so why should we help them anyway?


They don’t need to self report, those people exist. I know several of them.

The reasons for it are thanks to decades of right wing policies and the left wing ignoring them. But those people exist.

It’s not a representation of the whole of the working class, they are a tiny part of it, but those people are around.

And they not only exist but they usually have pretty far right views that they’ve picked up from those Mail, Sun and Express headlines. Everything is the fault of immigrants, all politicians are the same, Nigel will save us and Corbyn is a lefty lightweight who will let in hoards of Muslim rapists.

Those people should be helped, but don’t go expecting them to vote for it.

It's not about whether people like that exist. It's about sweeping, belittling statements, that do nothing but write people off. What benefit is there in speculating that a good chunk of people who get their news from newspapers are feckless alcoholics?


There’s zero benefit.

But that doesn’t mean it isn’t true.

Except it blatantly isn't true, is it?


I literally know people that are feckless alcoholics who get their news (if at all) from tabloid headlines.

So yes, it is blatantly true.

So because you know a number of people like this, they must make up a "good chunk" of people who get news from newspapers? You don't think this is just wild extrapolation based on your own anecdotal experience?


You think I just happen to know people like that and that they don’t exist anywhere else in the country?

Ok.

Yes, I genuinely think alcoholism only exists in the area immediately around your house, that's definitely what I'm saying.


Well I’m glad we cleared that up.

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by Jenuall » Fri Jul 26, 2019 12:35 pm

Moggy is the one peddling the white lightning.

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by Oblomov Boblomov » Fri Jul 26, 2019 12:44 pm

We're not allowed to insult poor people on here Moggy, for FFS get with it.

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by Moggy » Fri Jul 26, 2019 1:03 pm

Oblomov Boblomov wrote:We're not allowed to insult poor people on here Moggy, for FFS get with it.


I wasn’t insulting them (I know you’re joking). It’s just a fact that some people buy white lightning and get their news from headlines.

Most poor people don’t.

It’d be wrong to say “bloody poor bastards, all they do is claim benefits and drink the lazy banana splits”. But it’s burying your head in the sand to pretend that there are no/few poor people that are ignorant of current affairs and who drink cheap cider.

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by Vermilion » Fri Jul 26, 2019 2:58 pm

Newspapers are curious in the way that they do seem to attract certain types of people.

You never see Daily Express readers however, they're all afraid to set foot outside as the paper is constantly telling them that they're going to be killed the moment they try.

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by Peter Crisp » Sun Jul 28, 2019 8:20 pm

Errkal wrote:
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I am surprised that the numbers are still that high for newspapers, I can't remember the last time I even read one.


When you look at opinions of the general public I think that surprise drops off.

I suspect a good chunk of the people “that get their news from the papers” are literally reading the headline as they pick up their 12 litres of white lightning and forming all their opinions from that.


I subscribe to The Times on Kindle and have done for a decade.
I read the paper during my lunch break at work and my dad also reads it on another kindle so I feel we're getting pretty good value.
I don't agree with everything they print and the fact they seem to not know that computer games exist but they'll cover a bloody play that about 500 will go and see which just goes to show who they think the paper is aimed at I suppose.

I rarely drink and I don't think I get my opinions from headlines.

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by Abacus » Sun Jul 28, 2019 10:08 pm

Facebook, Twitter, Instagram? Is this just news for people that can't read?

I read the Times daily pretty much from cover to cover and occasionally mix it up with a Guardian / Telegraph. I know their biases, and I also know they're regulated and care about their reputation for journalism.

People that are somehow proud of not being able to read a newspaper is a new thing.

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by Oblomov Boblomov » Sun Jul 28, 2019 11:24 pm

The Times Readers represent :datass:

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by Qikz » Mon Jul 29, 2019 12:13 am

The BBC is strawberry floating shite. They bring people on to discuss things we know are imperically incorrect for the sake of impartiality.

They bought someone on to discuss the strawberry floating flat earth theory for instance. strawberry float off.

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by Peter Crisp » Mon Jul 29, 2019 12:21 am

I do really hate it when we have some random person discussing a subject and will be given the same level of respect as someone who's been an expert in a subject for 40 years.
Just because I have an opinion about genetics doesn't mean I should be given the same standing as the team who created Dolly the Sheep as I'm pretty sure they know rather a lot more about the subject than I do.

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by floydfreak » Mon Jul 29, 2019 8:38 am

Qikz wrote:The BBC is strawberry floating shite. They bring people on to discuss things we know are imperically incorrect for the sake of impartiality.

They bought someone on to discuss the strawberry floating flat earth theory for instance. strawberry float off.


so did This Morning



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by Lotus » Mon Jul 29, 2019 10:15 am

I get my news mainly from the BBC - either the website, Radio 4, or sometimes the 10pm news.
The website has really gone downhill in recent years though...full of clickbait and overly PC nonsense. It's also difficult to navigate and find things once they've gone from the front page.

I also get a bit of news from the Guardian. I tend to visit the website most days, partly for the news, but partly to see what they're hand-wringing about, and what they're on their high horse about. It's good for a laugh in that respect.

Also reddit (r/news, r/worldnews).

I'd never go to twitter / instagram / facebook for news. :dread:

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by Peter Crisp » Mon Jul 29, 2019 10:22 am

I honestly don't understand how people can see facebook as a viable source for news.
It's like expecting decent journalism from a trip down the pub and talking to random drunks.

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by VlaSoul » Mon Jul 29, 2019 11:26 am

Abacus wrote:Facebook, Twitter, Instagram? Is this just news for people that can't read?


Peter Crisp wrote:I honestly don't understand how people can see facebook as a viable source for news.
It's like expecting decent journalism from a trip down the pub and talking to random drunks.


Legit I think Facebook's (/social media's) a perfectly decent news stream alongside other sources. Everything is susceptible to bias, so seeing stuff posted from and commented upon by a variety of communities/circles gives me a huge sample of what views (internet) people hold which combined with talking to irls leads to an idea of how the general public views things. Also yes it is more convenient and allows me to drop my own bullshit hot takes on things (which leads to long winded arguments with conservatives lmao)

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by Moggy » Mon Jul 29, 2019 11:28 am

Lotus wrote: and overly PC nonsense. It's also difficult to navigate and find things once they've gone from the front page.

I also get a bit of news from the Guardian. I tend to visit the website most days, partly for the news, but partly to see what they're hand-wringing about, and what they're on their high horse about. It's good for a laugh in that respect.


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