have nintendo ballsed up ?

Posthave nintendo ballsed up ? by **still** » Fri Aug 22, 2008 11:57 pm

Question, have nintendo ballsed up for the first time this generation with their utterly under-whelming christmas line up ?

As far as I can see there's naff all worth buying on wii until next year.

Does this play right into the hands of microsoft and sony in terms of catch up ?

Debate, if you can be arsed....

PostRe: have nintendo ballsed up ? by **St Nick** » Sat Aug 23, 2008 12:00 am

If Wii Sports 2 comes out around Xmas time, Nintendo will clean up.

PostRe: have nintendo ballsed up ? by **bear** » Sat Aug 23, 2008 12:02 am

It is due out next spring St. Nick. Animal Crossing is going to be their big game for Christmas which will probably be massive.

PostRe: have nintendo ballsed up ? by **Extralife** » Sat Aug 23, 2008 12:04 am

The Wii is going to sell out this Christmas no matter what they do, so how do you define ballsed up under those curcumstances?

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bear wrote:It is due out next spring St. Nick. Animal Crossing is going to be their big game for Christmas which will probably be massive.

Is that so? I was sure it was going to come out before :fp:

If Animal Crossing is advertised 'the right way' (casual) then it could also clean up.

PostRe: have nintendo ballsed up ? by **still** » Sat Aug 23, 2008 12:05 am

bear wrote:It is due out next spring St. Nick. Animal Crossing is going to be their big game for Christmas which will probably be massive.

But will it ? It looks near identical to all other versions to date and as such I won't be buying. Wii music look plains bollocks. And as you say motionplus sports is not due this year. Personally I think their e3 presentation was shite because they simply had bugger all to present.

It's underwhelming for core gamers, but a lot of people will lap up the line-up from October to December. Animal Crossing should do well (though I can't see it having quite the impact of the DS version), though I'm not convinced Wii Music will do anything like the numbers of Wii Fit and the like.

Apparently we're due an announcement about release dates for those two games soon - if either comes after Christmas (not inconceivable given the potential localisation issues with Crosso) then there could well be problems.

PostRe: have nintendo ballsed up ? by **still** » Sat Aug 23, 2008 12:12 am

Hero of Canton wrote:It's underwhelming for core gamers, but a lot of people will lap up the line-up from October to December. Animal Crossing should do well (though I can't see it having quite the impact of the DS version), though I'm not convinced Wii Music will do anything like the numbers of Wii Fit and the like.

Apparently we're due an announcement about release dates for those two games soon - if either comes after Christmas (not inconceivable given the potential localisation issues with Crosso) then there could well be problems.

I always thought Crossing was their 'great white hope' - convert the 'casuals' that bought it on ds. I'm just not convinced this is going to happen. I suspect you are right re wii music. I wonder how many 'casual' feel burned by wii-fit ?

PostRe: have nintendo ballsed up ? by **still** » Sat Aug 23, 2008 12:14 am

Extralife wrote:The Wii is going to sell out this Christmas no matter what they do, so how do you define ballsed up under those curcumstances?

I'm sure you are right but microsoft and particularly sony still has some scope to ply catch up and as a wii only owner looking at the line up for these two consoles I reckon they must be in with a good chance of making some good progress at chrimbo. Its obviously a competitive world out there and any slip up is a slip up...

No...

...next question.

Hero of Canton wrote:It's underwhelming for core gamers, but a lot of people will lap up the line-up from October to December. Animal Crossing should do well (though I can't see it having quite the impact of the DS version), though I'm not convinced Wii Music will do anything like the numbers of Wii Fit and the like.

Apparently we're due an announcement about release dates for those two games soon - if either comes after Christmas (not inconceivable given the potential localisation issues with Crosso) then there could well be problems.

If we don't get Crossing at Christmas I will be severely pissed off.
I can't remember a time when Nintendo offered so little in the last few months of the year as they are in 08, bit no matter the Wii will still outsell the 360 and PS3.

Personally I'll be buying at least Sam & Max, Wario Land Shake Dimension, Samba de Amigo and Dead Rising.

There might well be other titles too, but the fact there aren't any huge Nintendo games I want doesn't really bother me, 4 games in a quarter on one system is actually pretty good.

Herb wrote:
Hero of Canton wrote:It's underwhelming for core gamers, but a lot of people will lap up the line-up from October to December. Animal Crossing should do well (though I can't see it having quite the impact of the DS version), though I'm not convinced Wii Music will do anything like the numbers of Wii Fit and the like.

Apparently we're due an announcement about release dates for those two games soon - if either comes after Christmas (not inconceivable given the potential localisation issues with Crosso) then there could well be problems.

If we don't get Crossing at Christmas I will be severely pissed off.
I can't remember a time when Nintendo offered so little in the last few months of the year as they are in 08, bit no matter the Wii will still outsell the 360 and PS3.

I don't want this to turn into another "OMG Nintendo have forsaken us!" thread so I'll keep this brief.

Nothing, and I mean NOTHING, coming out for Wii interests me in the slightest bar the new Mario and Zelda games (And we're talking at least a year before Zelda and that's being VERY optimistic).

So from my point of view, yes they have. From the point of view of themselves and their share-holders... No. It's probably never been this good.

Wii Music will do what both Wii Sports and Wii Fit did and clean up. Animal Crossing will draw in some of the non-gaming crowd and a good portion of the Nintendo faithful, but perhaps not as much as Nintendo thinks it will.

This is of course all IMO.

PostRe: have nintendo ballsed up ? by **bear** » Sat Aug 23, 2008 12:41 am

It kinda depends on how you define ballsed up though doesn't it? I don't think Nintendo have done enough to combat what people see as the Wiis weaknesses so I guess they have ballsed up in that regard.

PostRe: have nintendo ballsed up ? by **Neph** » Sat Aug 23, 2008 3:29 am

Seeing as they have 1 massive franchise coming from them and a few smaller/ new Ips they are letting 3rd parties in on the act Rock band 2 and GH will be out this year aand they will seell massively.

GH3 has sold best on Wii overall that just says how much people like it on wii.

Nintendo have never done so well, isnt Wii Music out at Christmas, if so that and Wii Fit are going to clean up.

Nintendo will market the wii fit in such a way that they will say we can lose those pounds we put on eating the christmas dinner.

closer wrote:I suspect you are right re wii music. I wonder how many 'casual' feel burned by wii-fit ?

I don't think it's anything to do with that. Wii Fit's a superb piece of software if it's used properly, and I'd imagine most feel they got their money's worth of fun out of it. And Wii Music doesn't require any new peripherals (though some third party will no doubt release some kind of attachment bundle) so it won't cost any more than £34.99. It's just that Guitar Hero on Easy is simple enough for the majority, and it's closer - in some ways, and for most people - to playing a real instrument.

The line-up for the rest this year is absolutely awful.

It is no use saying from the perspective of a "core" gamer that more casual gamers will still buy it so they have not messed up: saying that is like saying that whilst no decent rock and roll or Indie records are coming out for the rest of the year, at least we have the new westlife and take-that records to look forward to! It is scant comfort to those looking for the Ninty titles they really want who see little on the horizon. Yes, casual gamers deserve to play the games they want, but so too do those more traditional gamers. In that regard, Nintendo has gotten the balance completely wrong for this year.

Nintendo really have no excuse other than to acknowledge that the headlong rush for the casual market has meant that core gamers are left with next to nothing in terms of major games for the rest of the year. They have (sort of) acknowledged as much after the E3 debacle, however, an assurance that the Zelda and Mario teams "are busy" is not good enough to be honest.

*waits for an inane reply along the lines of "how have they messed up, when it'll still sell out".

In fairness, though, a lot of people are unfairly dismissive of perfectly decent Wii titles, simply because awareness of these titles isn't as high. And Nintendo definitely needs to let the third parties have their time in the sun. The problem is that not enough third parties are coming up with genuine quality on Wii, and any multiformat titles are immediately going to suffer by comparison with the 360/PS3 versions. Well, that and the first-party offerings aren't particularly appealing to many core gamers. Wario shouldn't be written off, though.

PostRe: have nintendo ballsed up ? by **Rik** » Sat Aug 23, 2008 9:59 am

I have about 25 games on order for this year and none are on Wii, I'm interested in Mad World and The Conduit but they look like next year. The only games I may pick up are Animal Crossing and maybe Call Of Duty 5 if they totally nail the controls and the COD4 engine somehow holds up on Wii.

There is no dressing it up, Nintendo have chased the money and turned their back on core gamers this year.

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