Denster presents: The 4K/8K HDR HDTV Thread

For those wondering the input lag for gaming on the Sky Glass TV comes in at an astronomical 115ms, making it quite possibly the worst 4K TV on the market for playing video games on. Certainly nothing from any of the big 6 comes close to be being that high.

And if that doesn’t put you off, HDR peaks at just 300 nits…which is what you’d expect from a £300 Hisense.

WIRED have reviewed it also:

Unfortunately, Sky Glass just isn’t a particularly good television.

The panel, made by TPV (one of the largest OEM panel manufacturers in the world) has uneven backlighting, with a fairly obvious grid pattern discernible when the screen is meant to be entirely black. True black itself is in tragically short supply, with a species of deep grey being the closest Sky Glass can get. It’s not especially bright, which means contrasts are on the tentative side (and though there are adjustments to the settings available, they are modest in their effect). It’s quite a poor upscaler, which means elderly content contrives to look edgy and hard at the same time as looking soft and short of detail. Its Dolby Vision HDR performance is, if we’re being charitable, mild. And the same can be said of its Dolby Atmos performance. Sound is quite nicely balanced here, and has unarguable punch, but the height and width element of its presentation is rather curtailed.

This comprehensively undermines those aspects of picture performance at which Sky Glass is properly talented. With 4K material, for example, it’s quite a detailed and revealing watch. With televised sport (which the user interface promotes mercilessly), motion control is authentically impressive. Its colour palette is extensive and convincing. But these are the televisual equivalents of having nice, comfortable furniture in a house with a leaky roof.

6/10

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/sky-glass-tv-review

Just in case, in the off chance, this happens to anyone else: my Netflix failed to update on my LG last night. After which trying to update it again did nothing but reload the app shop page or cause the channel I was on to refresh. PANIC!!! Fixed it by deleting the app from the front menu of the LG CX, and so from the TV itself, and downloading it all over again. First time that's happened but also the last thing I needed while trying to wind down for the night :fp:

Grumpy David wrote:Looking to get myself a 4K OLED HDR 55" TV. Haven't played video games in probably 8 years. It'll be used for Sky HD, Netflix, Amazon Prime, 4k Blu Rays and occasionally plugging the laptop into it.

I'm very much out of the loop on TV knowledge compared to how I used to be. Not even sure which websites are now most trusted for reviews.

Particularly with "what's the different HDR modes from manufacturers and what ones do I need for optimum 4k HDR and Netflix HDR"?

Another thing with my current 4k TV is it only does 4k over HDMI1 instead of all 3 HDMI sockets which is infuriating.

I think it's pretty much the LG C1 I'm looking at but possibly the Panasonic Z1000. Would that be general consensus for top choices in the £1,000 to £1,500 range?

Trusted review sites:

https://www.rtings.com/

https://www.avforums.com/

https://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/

HDTVTest's videos on the Z1000: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_ ... ic+hz1000+

And the C1: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_ ... test+lg+c1

Re the various HDR standards: https://www.which.co.uk/reviews/televis ... RJb9O3rPPx Netflix uses HDR10 and Dolby Vision; Prime supports all the main ones; Disney and Apple also support Dolby Vision. I find them all more than acceptable, tbh. Though, Dolby Vision does have a undeniable extra lustre to it. Some of the 2021 sets have sensors on them which measure the ambient light in the room and then adjusts the HDR accordingly. (Fancy.) Dolby Vision IQ and HDR10+ offer this feature. Make sure your set has HDR10/10+ and Dolby Vision and you'll be sorted. (Main difference between 10+ + Dolby Vision and standard HDR: 10+ and DV are dynamic – they're able to work on a per scene basis.)

Saint of Killers wrote:Some of the 2021 sets have sensors on them which measure the ambient light in the room and then adjusts the HDR accordingly. (Fancy.)

Please don't get persuaded to buy a TV based on stuff like this. It's pretty much always bullshit, in fact any setting where your TV tries to help 'improve' your picture, turn that gooseberry fool off straight away. Any motion smoothing or picture enhancements, ugh. Calibrate your TV properly and leave it like that.

more heat than light wrote:
Saint of Killers wrote:Some of the 2021 sets have sensors on them which measure the ambient light in the room and then adjusts the HDR accordingly. (Fancy.)

Please don't get persuaded to buy a TV based on stuff like this. It's pretty much always bullshit, in fact any setting where your TV tries to help 'improve' your picture, turn that gooseberry fool off straight away. Any motion smoothing or picture enhancements, ugh. Calibrate your TV properly and leave it like that.

The same applies to Dolby Vision IQ. Turns out it's available on the LG CX as "AI Brightness". It offers too bright an image when compared to a reference image, so if the TV is calibrated with that in mind, it's a handy feature to have. However, on a Panasonic, the out of the box setting offering is much closer to reference and so doesn't need to be taken into consideration when calibrating. But yes, it's not a must buy feature, but it's also not anywhere near as bad motion smoothing or the other AI settings.

Saint of Killers wrote:Just in case, in the off chance, this happens to anyone else: my Netflix failed to update on my LG last night. After which trying to update it again did nothing but reload the app shop page or cause the channel I was on to refresh. PANIC!!! Fixed it by deleting the app from the front menu of the LG CX, and so from the TV itself, and downloading it all over again. First time that's happened but also the last thing I needed while trying to wind down for the night

Had to do that with mine the other day too.

I’m having issues getting Freeview on my TV. It’s a 7ish year old 4K Sony Bravia with (apparently) an in-built tuner/antenna, so in theory should be quite easy to get set up with ‘Youview’ which seems to be the Freeview app for this TV.

I’ve tried and failed to set it up in the past but haven’t really needed to get it up and running as have always had access to Sky or similar. However now we’ve got Now TV instead we need Freeview to be able to watch a lot of stuff live (it’s basically just for I’m A Celeb :lol:

).

Is there anything obvious that I’m doing wrong? I’ve tried all different methods and nothing seems to work, whenever I search it never picks up any channels and it doesn’t really tell me what the issue is. I could buy an antenna to plug into it but I’d rather not if I don’t have to, and I’m not even sure if that would have to go next to the TV or up in the loft.

I feel like how my parents must feel asking me about HDMI cables and Wi-Fi :lol:

thanks in advance.

Get an LG, Grumpy. You wont regret it.

You’re not going to get a signal without an aerial. Can’t really believe I had to post this.

If you’ve still got the satellite dish, you could buy a Freesat tuner box.

Someone on here once bought a digital aerial and was trés disappoint when it didn't work.

They'd directed it toward the neighbours satellite dish...

Yeah, to get a signal for Freeview you have to plug an aerial into the socket on the back of your TV. You can either use one on the roof or an indoor one. I haven’t used one since back in the old CRT days where it used to sit atop the TV. For the indoor ones to work properly though you need to be within about 10 miles of a TV transmitter in your area.

Alternatively you can use the TV Player app and access many Freeview channels via the internet.

rinks wrote:You’re not going to get a signal without an aerial. Can’t really believe I had to post this.

If you’ve still got the satellite dish, you could buy a Freesat tuner box.

Well yeah, that’s what I thought initially. But my brother-in-law said his has an inbuilt aerial and nothing external, and that most TVs nowadays do too. Plus I then checked my TV’s specs and it states it has a ‘TV system (digital cable)’, ‘DVB-S (Digital Satellite)’, ‘Twin Tuner’, ‘TV System (Digital Terrestrial)’ and ‘DVB-T2 (Digital Terrestrial)’. I assumed amongst all of that it meant mine was also inbuilt :lol:

just seems odd that in 2021 you still need an external aerial to watch Freeview.

KK wrote:Yeah, to get a signal for Freeview you have to plug an aerial into the socket on the back of your TV. You can either use one on the roof or an indoor one. I haven’t used one since back in the old CRT days where it used to sit atop the TV. For the indoor ones to work properly though you need to be within about 10 miles of a TV transmitter in your area.

Alternatively you can use the TV Player app and access many Freeview channels via the internet.

I’m not even sure we’ve got a live aerial on the roof! I’ll have to check this week and probably get up in the loft too. Surprised it’s not as straightforward as I thought it might be to get set up with Freeview. I think the issue with TV player is it doesn’t have ITV on it, which is part of the reason I’m keen on setting it all up.

Is it possible that your brother-in-law is a bit of an idiot?

I’ve never heard of a TV with a built-in aerial. There might be one or two, but definitely not most TVs. They do have built-in tuners, unlike the early days of Freeview, when you had to buy a separate set-top box.

As yours has DVB-S, you could connect an existing satellite dish to it and get the free-to-air channels that way.

PaperMacheMario wrote:

rinks wrote:Is it possible that your brother-in-law is a bit of an idiot?

I’ve never heard of a TV with a built-in aerial. There might be one or two, but definitely not most TVs. They do have built-in tuners, unlike the early days of Freeview, when you had to buy a separate set-top box.

As yours has DVB-S, you could connect an existing satellite dish to it and get the free-to-air channels that way.

Maybe they plugged a network cable in or used WiFi to access iPlayer etc to watch TV, thinking that was an aerial. No device works without an aerial, even mobile phones require an aerial.

The aerial or dish is what gets the signal from the air. Something hosted outside (eg a roof aerial or a satellite dish) will get a stronger signal than inside (sticking a coat hanger in the aerial connector on your TV)

Then the tuners or decoders are what decode the signal. A device marked as a TV will nearly always have this part built in, a device marked as a screen or monitor will usually be lacking a decoder or tuner which means you'll need an external device.

rinks wrote:Is it possible that your brother-in-law is a bit of an idiot?

I’ve never heard of a TV with a built-in aerial. There might be one or two, but definitely not most TVs. They do have built-in tuners, unlike the early days of Freeview, when you had to buy a separate set-top box.

As yours has DVB-S, you could connect an existing satellite dish to it and get the free-to-air channels that way.

Oh yeah, totally possible. I think he must have meant a built-in tuner. Cheers!

BID0 wrote:Maybe they plugged a network cable in or used WiFi to access iPlayer etc to watch TV, thinking that was an aerial. No device works without an aerial, even mobile phones require an aerial.

The aerial or dish is what gets the signal from the air. Something hosted outside (eg a roof aerial or a satellite dish) will get a stronger signal than inside (sticking a coat hanger in the aerial connector on your TV)

Then the tuners or decoders are what decode the signal. A device marked as a TV will nearly always have this part built in, a device marked as a screen or monitor will usually be lacking a decoder or tuner which means you'll need an external device.

Thanks for the explanation, it’s a total blind spot of mine as I’ve always used Sky, Virgin or Now TV etc. He probably was thinking of the network cable. At least now I know what I need to do to get it up and running, Googling before wasn’t helping as apparently my queries were too stupid for the whole of the internet to address. :lol:

Bob Odenkirk's Nobody (4K) going for £3.99 (digital) on Amazon. £1.99 if you're on Prime!

PaperMacheMario wrote:
rinks wrote:Is it possible that your brother-in-law is a bit of an idiot?

I’ve never heard of a TV with a built-in aerial. There might be one or two, but definitely not most TVs. They do have built-in tuners, unlike the early days of Freeview, when you had to buy a separate set-top box.

As yours has DVB-S, you could connect an existing satellite dish to it and get the free-to-air channels that way.

Oh yeah, totally possible. I think he must have meant a built-in tuner. Cheers!
BID0 wrote:Maybe they plugged a network cable in or used WiFi to access iPlayer etc to watch TV, thinking that was an aerial. No device works without an aerial, even mobile phones require an aerial.

The aerial or dish is what gets the signal from the air. Something hosted outside (eg a roof aerial or a satellite dish) will get a stronger signal than inside (sticking a coat hanger in the aerial connector on your TV)

Then the tuners or decoders are what decode the signal. A device marked as a TV will nearly always have this part built in, a device marked as a screen or monitor will usually be lacking a decoder or tuner which means you'll need an external device.

Thanks for the explanation, it’s a total blind spot of mine as I’ve always used Sky, Virgin or Now TV etc. He probably was thinking of the network cable. At least now I know what I need to do to get it up and running, Googling before wasn’t helping as apparently my queries were too stupid for the whole of the internet to address.

Freesat box and satellite dish is an infinitely better option than either indoor or rooftop aerials, recently switch from Freeview with an indoor (loft) aerial which would frequently lose channels and neec retuning to Freesat through a new dish (had one up already but wasn't connected to the extension/annexe I'm in) and the difference is surprisingly noticable.

Unfortunately my setup now has audio sync issues which basically means having to change the settings on the AV receiver every time I watch a Bluray instead of Netflix (can have one or the other in sync :fp:

).

My LG OLED has developed fairly drastic unexplained screen burn after 3 years, it’s a blue/green swipe that looks like someone’s taken a highlighter to my set.
LG are asking £200 for it to be repaired, but Richer Sounds have said they’ll pay it.
How likely is it that it’ll be actually repaired, or just somehow masked over?

Buffalo wrote:My LG OLED has developed fairly drastic unexplained screen burn after 3 years, it’s a blue/green swipe that looks like someone’s taken a highlighter to my set.
LG are asking £200 for it to be repaired, but Richer Sounds have said they’ll pay it.
How likely is it that it’ll be actually repaired, or just somehow masked over?

I’ve not owned a or dealt with LG but at a guess, If it’s LG repairing it then they probably hold a stock of reconditioned units so you’ll end up with someone else’s.

If it’s a third party repair then it could either be a recon of someone else’s or your set back after the part(s) being changed.

I’m going directly through LG, but Richer Sounds are paying the fee as a goodwill gesture.

Denster presents: The 4K/8K HDR HDTV Thread

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