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by Samuel_1 » Sun Sep 04, 2016 2:59 pm

KK wrote:A big problem with TVs these days is because they're now as thin as a mirror, the speakers are truly rotten. This means adding another £200 onto the bill for a sound bar. Though there are regularly deals on if you buy both together.

Sony tried adding incredible speakers to last year's model (either side of the screen) and apparently customers didn't like it.

Actually, using desktop speakers is a cheap and effective solution to this issue.

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by Ironhide » Sun Sep 04, 2016 7:59 pm

Just get a soundbar, you'll wonder how you ever lived without one.

I bought a Yamaha one a few years ago for around £160 and it's still superb.

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by NickSCFC » Sun Sep 04, 2016 8:19 pm

What counts as decent built in speakers these days, 20 watts?

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by Ironhide » Sun Sep 04, 2016 9:56 pm

It's nothing to do with power or how much bass they produce, its overall quality and clarity of sound that matters, something which tiny/cheap speakers will always struggle with.

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by Oblomov Boblomov » Sun Sep 04, 2016 10:00 pm

I got a 2.1 system bundled with my Panasonic Blu-ray player. I think it was fairly expensive but I've had a good few years out of it and it shows no signs of letting up.

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by Dowbocop » Sun Sep 04, 2016 11:18 pm

Would a soundbar stop that annoying difference in volume mix between normal conversation and barnstorming action that means you always need the TV remote close to hand during a film?

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by Green Gecko » Sun Sep 04, 2016 11:29 pm

It shouldn't be the case but it might. That's either to do with a bad down mix to stereo from 5.1, the TV or AV receiver or dvd/blu ray or app or game incorrectly set to 5.1 audio but only stereo speakers connected, or generally a soundtrack in the programme that takes the piss with dynamic range (which is usually a good thing).

However, sound bars either output 5.1 from 1 place which is retarded, do weird virtual surround stuff that destroys original mix, or play all the things equally (mix down to stereo and flatten everything). They may do dynamic range compression and/or normalisation to level out "volume" which will help.

Personally I'd make sure everything is set to stereo and use a decent 2.1 set up (or full range bookshelf/tower speakers) if you are struggling for space.

Soundbars annoy me especially for music. Overpriced for crammed/compressed/flattened music with no dimension. Sure they save space but I like dimensionality in my audio / bass response without fake audio effects kthnx

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by Oblomov Boblomov » Mon Sep 05, 2016 8:25 am

I'd have to agree.

Regarding the dynamic range issue, I'm always having to explain to my girlfriend that yes, of course a whispered conversation is going to be significantly quieter than a car chase!

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by Dowbocop » Mon Sep 05, 2016 8:51 am

Okay, cheers for the advice on that gents, I just thought there might be an easy fix I hadn't considered. It might be worth investigating a 2.1 setup then...

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by Lime » Tue Sep 06, 2016 1:19 am

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Pioneer nailed it with the picture quality on those TVs, such amazing rich colours. I got an android gadget for streaming from my media server in the house, and iplayer etc and it looks stunning, even with SD streamed video.

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by KK » Wed Sep 14, 2016 1:17 pm

WhatHiFi wrote:Sony says TV software update will fix picture judder on Sky Q 4K broadcasts



Users are reporting that Sky Q content uncontrollably judders on some Sony 4K TVs, making the picture impossible to watch. A fix is on the way, says Sony, which is working with Sky to resolve the problem.

Sony's 4K televisions are having difficulty living up to their name as many owners are reporting that, when trying to view Ultra HD content using their Sky Q equipment, the picture is subject to juddering that can make programmes unwatchable.

Users have taken to the Sony and Sky consumer forums to complain about the incompatability of the services, their frustration exacerbated by the fact that the only information from Sky's 'Help' page simply suggests putting the TV into standby then turning it back on, or selecting a different TV input.

Meanwhile Sony's solution suggests that the best way to completely remove the judder when watching 4K content is to switch the Sky box's output to the HD 1080i or 1080p setting, which rather defeats the point of having a 4K set in the first place.

Sony says it is aware of the issue and it "has been fixed internally, we are now working on the release of a software update". While Sony did not specify when it would be releasing the update, users on Sky's forum have apparently been told that the issue will be resolved within a 90-day period. However, this has not yet been officially confirmed.

The Sony TV models that are currently affected, both from 2015 and 2016 production, are listed on its website. The problem can also occur with the BT Vision UHD YouView set-top box, according to online reports.

http://www.whathifi.com/news/sony-says- ... broadcasts

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Fancy spending £2000 on the TV, and a further £100 a month on SkyQ to find you've got to stick it back in 1080p mode.

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by Lagamorph » Wed Sep 14, 2016 1:57 pm

Can't say I've ever noticed a judder watching 4K from SkyQ on my SonyTV, though mine isn't Android.

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by HSH28 » Wed Sep 14, 2016 11:43 pm

KK wrote:Fancy spending £2000 on the TV, and a further £100 a month on SkyQ to find you've got to stick it back in 1080p mode.


Some people might balk at the cost of the TV, but that price for SkyQ is truly insane. Can't understand anyone who'd pay that much (a month) for TV.

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by Saint of Killers » Thu Sep 15, 2016 9:23 am

inb4 I get Sky Q for nothing brigade pipes up.

I wish Sky would quit "upgrading" my Sky+ HD box UI. I'm sure it feels less responsive/more prone to laggy input since last big update...

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by Peter Crisp » Thu Sep 15, 2016 11:27 am

I just hope that at CES in January they have some decent mid range TV's that link with the new consoles and work well with hdr.
I'm after a new TV but until it all gets sorted I'd hate to buy and find out it won't play nice with the PS4 pro or Scorpio.

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by Poser » Thu Sep 15, 2016 11:40 am

Peter Crisp wrote:I just hope that at CES in January they have some decent mid range TV's that link with the new consoles and work well with hdr.
I'm after a new TV but until it all gets sorted I'd hate to buy and find out it won't play nice with the PS4 pro or Scorpio.


Yeah, this is what I'm monitoring (no pun intended). Digital Foundry has an in-house Panny 4k tv with HDR (circa £1k model) that they are going to use as a test for the HDR of the new consoles, so that'll be interesting to follow.

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by Glowy69 » Thu Sep 15, 2016 6:27 pm

Hi everyone. :shifty:

I know nothing about tv's now :slol: We're close to moving into our new house and I've been granted allowance to buy a new tv. Are the sizes still 42/46/47/49/50.

How much are we talking for a decent 46" tv nowadays?

Will be used for xbox, ps4 & bt vision ultra HD or whatever that is.

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by more heat than light » Thu Sep 15, 2016 8:06 pm

Glowy69 wrote:Hi everyone. :shifty:

I know nothing about tv's now :slol: We're close to moving into our new house and I've been granted allowance to buy a new tv. Are the sizes still 42/46/47/49/50.

How much are we talking for a decent 46" tv nowadays?

Will be used for xbox, ps4 & bt vision ultra HD or whatever that is.


Depends what you mean by decent, and depends how much you want to spend. Most of the big manufacturers (Sony, Samsung, Panasonic and LG - don't buy any other brand) have different tiers of TV, entry level, mid-range and flagship. If you want a decent entry level TV at around the 40-50" mark you're looking at around £500. Flagships can run up to £3000 and beyond.

Give us a ballpark and I'll offer some suggestions.

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by Glowy69 » Thu Sep 15, 2016 8:38 pm

more heat than light wrote:
Glowy69 wrote:Hi everyone. :shifty:

I know nothing about tv's now :slol: We're close to moving into our new house and I've been granted allowance to buy a new tv. Are the sizes still 42/46/47/49/50.

How much are we talking for a decent 46" tv nowadays?

Will be used for xbox, ps4 & bt vision ultra HD or whatever that is.


Depends what you mean by decent, and depends how much you want to spend. Most of the big manufacturers (Sony, Samsung, Panasonic and LG - don't buy any other brand) have different tiers of TV, entry level, mid-range and flagship. If you want a decent entry level TV at around the 40-50" mark you're looking at around £500. Flagships can run up to £3000 and beyond.

Give us a ballpark and I'll offer some suggestions.


I want a tv that will make my games look nice. I currently have a 37" pana which i have had since 2007 :wub: Cost me a grand that did. Id say around £500? Smart functions, 1080p obvs, and any other nice stuff that comes with it.

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by more heat than light » Thu Sep 15, 2016 8:45 pm

I made a couple of suggestions in that price bracket on the previous page. Definitely have a look at the Panasonic DX600 though, it's a lovely set. The 40" is £499, but I'd pay the extra £100 and get the 49".

http://leicester.store.panasonic.co.uk/ ... x600b.aspx

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