Hogwarts Legacy (Harry Potter game) - PS5, XSX, PS4, XBO, PC - delayed until 2022

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by Denster » Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:58 am

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Im just not a big fan of being told exactly how I should act and feel about it.


I don't think anybody has done that. The thread has been mostly people saying what a banana split Rowling is, but that it's up to individuals whether they boycott the game or not.

The idea of a donation to a trans charity seems a good solution for those that love the world of HP but hate what Rowling is.


Sorry. That was meant in general. There is an undercurrent that 'I'm boycotting and you should be too' at play or certainly opinion on those who don't.

It's down to individual choice. I haven't seen enough of what she said to agree if she's a banana split or not. I think she's handled it badly and made it much worse though. As others have said and I echoed - she is a hugely influential person with a huge number of people in the world that respect, admire and even worship her.

She could have handled it much better than she has.


People can cause and seek offence all the time and its not always intentional but she seems to have reacted to criticism in a combative and antagonistic fashion.

I think its a very emotive subject and I think if you have the platform she has - there is a responsibility to conduct yourself in a better way and be mindful of the huge influence and sway she has. She has instead ridden roughshod over it and caused an awful lot of friction and upset and distress. As discussed in here.
For that she fully deserves condemnation.

I'm just not sure what denying a few pounds to a billionaire will achieve other than satisfy one's own self of justice and self righteousness.

I'm bang on side with people who do it and with those who choose not to.

It's just shame that someone who was a massive inspiration to my children and sparked their love of literature has felt the need to persist with this.

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PostRe: Hogwarts Legacy (Harry Potter game) - PS5, XSX, PS4, XBO, PC - 2021
by Tomous » Sun Sep 27, 2020 10:05 am

Buy second hand and donate to Mermaids is a great solution in my opinion

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by Wrathy » Sun Sep 27, 2020 10:45 am

JKR doesn’t want to “handle this better.” Her intention is to stop trans people having rights. She is perfectly clear in her writings on this. Softening it as “just a senior moment” or as if she has been careless with her words or something totally diminishes how calculated she has been throughout her shift towards outright transphobia: at first she was ~called out~ for liking some tweets, and then she was ~called out~ for writing a clumsy tweet or two to support someone who lost an employment tribunal after being sacked for being transphobic, and then she was ~called out~ for writing a 3,500 word rant about trans people that was devoid of facts and pushed transphobic arguments directly towards the reader, and then she was ~called out~ for later tweet threads which are full of similar lies. Heck, even last week she was ~called out~ for linking a TERF web store to 14 million twitter followers which sells items with slogans like “trans women are men”, “trans activism is misogyny”, and “strawberry float your pronouns.”

She hasn’t handled things badly. She knows exactly what she’s doing and doesn’t care about the lgbt community’s response. She isn’t being cancelled for a few boomer statements, she’s not a victim of cancel culture, this is entirely a reasonable position from anyone dismayed by what she’s actually doing on a daily basis.

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by Denster » Sun Sep 27, 2020 12:01 pm

If that's true then she deserves nothing but condemnation. Not sure that has to extend to a games company making a game. Do Warner Bros deserve condemnation for not acting fiercely enough? I'm not fully au fait with the situation as I have freely admitted. Surely if she is as brazen as you say - what difference will money sanctions make?
Even if harry Potter was no more. If warner brothers pulled the plug on all further enterprises and shut the theme parks?

If she is as entrenched and hateful as you claim - surely she'll just continue. She's got the time and resources to do so.
Its not for me to say. I've discussed it someone I care about who is affected by it and some colleagues as well. Maybe a donation is a good idea.

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by Banjo » Sun Sep 27, 2020 12:44 pm

Denster, in this regard you really should educate yourself a little bit better. It's not hard to find this information and understand that what Wrathy is saying is not up for debate; Rowling is knowingly and actively pushing anti-trans material into the public sphere, directly to the millions of people that follow her and utilising her status as a person of renown to escape criticism in the mainstream press. You're repeated statements of "I haven't seen enough", "If that's true", "as you claim" and more show a willful defiance to engage with the subject being discussed, as this is not an instance of how an individual might interpret the words of others. It is naked and obvious.

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PostRe: Hogwarts Legacy (Harry Potter game) - PS5, XSX, PS4, XBO, PC - 2021
by Met » Sun Sep 27, 2020 12:53 pm

As has already been said, it's not really about hurting JKR on this. If we can change her views then all the better, but that's a lost cause, I feel. It's more about getting eyes on the issue.

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by Karl_ » Sun Sep 27, 2020 12:54 pm

Yeah, I mean, it absolutely is true. J.K. Rowling's campaign has directly hurt trans children by leading to self-harm and suicide attempts according to the trans youth social work charity. The wider group ("TERFs") have already pressured the government to scale back legislative reforms aimed at simplifying the legal recognition of transition. Recently the DfE has parroted the rhetoric of this hate movement in its guidance to schools. The level of acceptance/integration of trans people is going backwards in this country because of these bigots.

In terms of her hateful rhetoric, as Wrathy pointed out, it's getting worse and worse. It started with cozying up to bigots, then she was writing thousands of words ranting about made-up reasons she's scared of trans people (all thoroughly debunked), and now her pinned tweet on Twitter promotes a shop selling all this crap:

twitter.com/AGildedEye/status/1308669164970741762


All I ask is that you weigh up the above. If you think it's disgusting that trans people are being targeted like that, then please do something to try to stand up for them.

The hate movement is more than just J.K. Rowling, but not buying her works and (this is the most important bit!) talking about why you won't buy them with people you know so that you're spreading the word about what's going on, is a good thing everyone can do that 1. represents a principled stance against her and 2. co-opts the publicity her works always get to educate and build solidarity. It's not about hurting her pocket (she's already rich), it's about damaging her brand as well as informing people and building up the trans rights movement.

If you're not willing to engage with that strategy then no-one can force you. You'll have to square it with yourself and accept the disappointment you get from others, including most importantly trans people themselves. But this is a struggle with many battles to be fought, so here are some other things you can do to help.

I think donating to a trans charity like Mermaids is a solid move, particularly given the constant attempts by TERFs to damage their funding. You can start checking PinkNews which is queer-led journalism instead of relying on deeply flawed mainstream coverage. You can also get updates from people involved in the fight on Twitter (it feels weird singling her out as she's not a huge account or anything, but I think @KatyMontgomerie is a good follow for trans rights news/essays/actions). There's a petition about reforming the Gender Recognition Act you can sign here. There are sometimes trans rights protest marches you can go to, or you can write to your MP. Even going to Pride next year and waving a trans flag as an ally is better than nothing, though I hope if you're willing to do that you might do all of the above too.

Everyone needs to start fighting now, because by the time new Section 28 legislation has been drafted it will be too late.

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PostRe: Hogwarts Legacy (Harry Potter game) - PS5, XSX, PS4, XBO, PC - 2021
by Wrathy » Sun Sep 27, 2020 12:57 pm

Denster wrote:If that's true then she deserves nothing but condemnation. Not sure that has to extend to a games company making a game. Do Warner Bros deserve condemnation for not acting fiercely enough? I'm not fully au fait with the situation as I have freely admitted. Surely if she is as brazen as you say - what difference will money sanctions make?
Even if harry Potter was no more. If warner brothers pulled the plug on all further enterprises and shut the theme parks?

If she is as entrenched and hateful as you claim - surely she'll just continue. She's got the time and resources to do so.
Its not for me to say. I've discussed it someone I care about who is affected by it and some colleagues as well. Maybe a donation is a good idea.


Well I mean the fact we're even having this conversation is part of the effect: she's losing £50ish of my money which I'd previously have thrown at this game because of the tangible impact she is having. Am I stupid enough to think that this is going to cause the game to tank? No, but for every person I talk to, maybe they see where I'm coming from, maybe they have a conversation with their pals, maybe those pals have a conversation with whoever else. This is grassroots stuff and I'm pretty cynical, but it's better than nothing.

As to the "what if" question, for me it's analogous to something like the band Lostprophets. If you're unfamiliar with them, their lead singer Ian Watkins is rightfully serving in prison for child molestation. What about the rest of the band? Their agents, their roadcrew, their record label? There's no way they knew about, much less supported, what he did. Did they deserve to suffer for the fallout, in losing their internationally recognised band, the income from record sales, potential to tour on the back of the name for the next four decades?

No, but it's a necessary side effect of doing the right thing. International media franchises don't have more rights to exist than marginalised communities - which is a deeply strawberry floating depressing thing to be saying about Harry Potter in 2020.

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by DarkRula » Sun Sep 27, 2020 1:08 pm

If Warner Bros. cut Harry Potter from themselves and publicly condemned Rowling, I doubt it'd make much difference. As I said before, she already has the following and the power to do these things. She doesn't need Harry Potter any more. She will still get away with whatever she says.

But if Warner Bros. stood up to her, that's an equal show of force against her views. It'd give people a rallying point, which could then grow into something which will eventually silence her. The people are just taking a stand without Warner doing such, however. And that could eventually force some change. It's not about the money. It's not about getting her to stop. It's about silencing those views and educating people. Making them think that perhaps these words are hurtful to others - especially moreso coming from someone who these people she's hurting once adored.

If you do take a stand, you need to show people you are. Whether you buy the game or not. By advertising your viewpoint, you rally others of the same thoughts to you. With enough voices, maybe companies like Warner will eventually listen.

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PostRe: Hogwarts Legacy (Harry Potter game) - PS5, XSX, PS4, XBO, PC - 2021
by Denster » Sun Sep 27, 2020 1:57 pm

Wrathy wrote:
Denster wrote:If that's true then she deserves nothing but condemnation. Not sure that has to extend to a games company making a game. Do Warner Bros deserve condemnation for not acting fiercely enough? I'm not fully au fait with the situation as I have freely admitted. Surely if she is as brazen as you say - what difference will money sanctions make?
Even if harry Potter was no more. If warner brothers pulled the plug on all further enterprises and shut the theme parks?

If she is as entrenched and hateful as you claim - surely she'll just continue. She's got the time and resources to do so.
Its not for me to say. I've discussed it someone I care about who is affected by it and some colleagues as well. Maybe a donation is a good idea.


Well I mean the fact we're even having this conversation is part of the effect: she's losing £50ish of my money which I'd previously have thrown at this game because of the tangible impact she is having. Am I stupid enough to think that this is going to cause the game to tank? No, but for every person I talk to, maybe they see where I'm coming from, maybe they have a conversation with their pals, maybe those pals have a conversation with whoever else. This is grassroots stuff and I'm pretty cynical, but it's better than nothing.

As to the "what if" question, for me it's analogous to something like the band Lostprophets. If you're unfamiliar with them, their lead singer Ian Watkins is rightfully serving in prison for child molestation. What about the rest of the band? Their agents, their roadcrew, their record label? There's no way they knew about, much less supported, what he did. Did they deserve to suffer for the fallout, in losing their internationally recognised band, the income from record sales, potential to tour on the back of the name for the next four decades?

No, but it's a necessary side effect of doing the right thing. International media franchises don't have more rights to exist than marginalised communities - which is a deeply strawberry floating depressing thing to be saying about Harry Potter in 2020.



That's a completely fair point to be honest.

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PostRe: Hogwarts Legacy (Harry Potter game) - PS5, XSX, PS4, XBO, PC - 2021
by Denster » Sun Sep 27, 2020 2:04 pm

Like I said my daughter has strong views on this. I also have colleagues who feel likewise.
I've also had recent issues with staff and their issues with pronouns as someone alluded to.
Its a subject where I've had to demonstrate leadership and sensitivity (a takent I'm not renowned for on here)
When helping staff to feel supported and part of a nursing team whilst also addressing various opinions and issues from other colleagues.
I'm frank in admitting it's an area I need better education and know how in. But working for tbe NHS involves an in house training program and freely available advice and we work closely with charities associated with all aspects of diversity and mental health means I have no excuse not to do so.

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PostRe: Hogwarts Legacy (Harry Potter game) - PS5, XSX, PS4, XBO, PC - 2021
by ITSMILNER » Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:02 pm



Went back and had a look at the leaked footage of this, almost 2 years ago footage of this was leaked out now!

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2018-10-02-no-rocksteady-isnt-making-the-leaked-harry-potter-game

Be interesting to see what character classes they bring into this game and how much they will change how things play out.

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by Denster » Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:02 pm

Banjo wrote:Denster, in this regard you really should educate yourself a little bit better. It's not hard to find this information and understand that what Wrathy is saying is not up for debate; Rowling is knowingly and actively pushing anti-trans material into the public sphere, directly to the millions of people that follow her and utilising her status as a person of renown to escape criticism in the mainstream press. You're repeated statements of "I haven't seen enough", "If that's true", "as you claim" and more show a willful defiance to engage with the subject being discussed, as this is not an instance of how an individual might interpret the words of others. It is naked and obvious.

Mate I've literally said that's what I need and what I intend to do. It's not a wilful defiance to engage - it's actually me try to tread lightly for fear of causing offence due to not knowing the full extent if what's been said.
I apologise if it seems I'm trying to cast doubt on what wrathy is saying. I'm not at all. It's me saying I havent follow it closely.
I'm sorry it it came across that way it wasn't my intent.

I will seek more info.

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by Drumstick » Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:20 pm

I don't have a great deal to add in here - I agree with the majority (strawberry float Rowling) - but one thing that has surprised me is a reasonable amount of sympathy for the developer and publisher.

Perhaps they shouldn't have agreed and accepted money to work on a franchise owned by a well known transphobe.

strawberry float 'em.

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PostRe: Hogwarts Legacy (Harry Potter game) - PS5, XSX, PS4, XBO, PC - 2021
by Tomous » Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:21 pm

Drumstick wrote:I don't have a great deal to add in here - I agree with the majority (strawberry float Rowling) - but one thing that has surprised me is a reasonable amount of sympathy for the developer and publisher.

Perhaps they shouldn't have agreed and accepted money to work on a franchise owned by a well known transphobe.

strawberry float 'em.


It is highly likely the game started development way before she outed herself as such a big transphobe, which is a fairly recent thing.

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by Met » Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:30 pm

Developers also often just get lumped with an IP by the publisher and told to make the game. Granted the rank and file could just quit their jobs over it, but in the current state of things?

And I don't think I've seen anybody going to bat for WB. Pretty sure everyone here is in agreement they can take a walk off a pier, too.

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by Drumstick » Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:32 pm

Rowling has been publishing this sort of crap (the Transphobia, not Potter) since around Spring, they've had plenty of time to bin this project, which would morally be the right thing to but not great from a business or financial perspective.

What's more important to them I wonder.

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by Met » Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:48 pm

Money. We all know it's money. It's always been money and always will be money. It's why publishers are almost universally the worst part of this industry. Are there even any publishers that people are better than neutral on? The closest I can think of are Devolver, but only because they tend to grab smaller projects that need the help and don't usually interfere all that much, at least as far as I'm aware.

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by Ploiper » Sun Sep 27, 2020 11:10 pm

ITSMILNER wrote:

Went back and had a look at the leaked footage of this, almost 2 years ago footage of this was leaked out now!

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2018-10-02-no-rocksteady-isnt-making-the-leaked-harry-potter-game

Be interesting to see what character classes they bring into this game and how much they will change how things play out.


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by Skarjo » Mon Sep 28, 2020 4:04 am

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