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PostRe: Hogwarts Legacy (Harry Potter game) - PS5, XSX, PS4, XBO, PC - 2021
by rinks » Thu Sep 17, 2020 3:24 pm

I imagine she was paid (a lot) for licensing the game. I would think it unlikely she would get a percentage of sales, so the “buy second-hand” thing to prevent her from benefitting is redundant. Though it would help the game tank in the charts, reducing the likelihood of a sequel, so that would be good.

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PostRe: Hogwarts Legacy (Harry Potter game) - PS5, XSX, PS4, XBO, PC - 2021
by Moggy » Thu Sep 17, 2020 3:35 pm

rinks wrote:I imagine she was paid (a lot) for licensing the game. I would think it unlikely she would get a percentage of sales, so the “buy second-hand” thing to prevent her from benefitting is redundant. Though it would help the game tank in the charts, reducing the likelihood of a sequel, so that would be good.


The game is published by Warner Bros, who also made the movies.

She received a cut of the movie profits, it seems highly unlikely she wouldn't also receive royalties from games.

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PostRe: Hogwarts Legacy (Harry Potter game) - PS5, XSX, PS4, XBO, PC - 2021
by Jenuall » Thu Sep 17, 2020 3:49 pm

Either directly or, more likely by the people she likely employs to make it the case, Rowling is very effective at making money from Harry Potter.

I would be very surprised if the ongoing sales and success of games related to the HP universe did not translate into additional money for her, so yes not buying it new is going to be a better approach if you want to keep money out of her pockets.

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PostRe: Hogwarts Legacy (Harry Potter game) - PS5, XSX, PS4, XBO, PC - 2021
by imbusydoctorwho » Thu Sep 17, 2020 3:49 pm

So glad to see the Harry Potter series finally getting a proper game, this could brilliant.

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PostRe: Hogwarts Legacy (Harry Potter game) - PS5, XSX, PS4, XBO, PC - 2021
by rinks » Thu Sep 17, 2020 3:53 pm

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rinks wrote:I imagine she was paid (a lot) for licensing the game. I would think it unlikely she would get a percentage of sales, so the “buy second-hand” thing to prevent her from benefitting is redundant. Though it would help the game tank in the charts, reducing the likelihood of a sequel, so that would be good.


The game is published by Warner Bros, who also made the movies.

She received a cut of the movie profits, it seems highly unlikely she wouldn't also receive royalties from games.


Well in that case, I’m definitely buying it. Got to support single mothers.

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PostRe: Hogwarts Legacy (Harry Potter game) - PS5, XSX, PS4, XBO, PC - 2021
by That » Thu Sep 17, 2020 3:55 pm

Memento Mori wrote:I think morally it's worse to buy expensive hardware made in a country committing genocide but a lot of us (including myself) are going to do that soon.


For sure. There's an inescapable tension between the moral imperative to try to make ethical decisions about purchases, and the knowledge that pretty much any product we buy - KK listed all sorts - will have had serious negative impacts on some community or environment as it was made.

J.K. Rowling is currently using her influence to, basically, plaster unhinged conspiracy theories about trans people all over Twitter. That's something that I've been directly exposed to: I've read it and seen the very upset reactions of trans people I know or follow, and it disgusts me and makes me angry with her. So I don't want to buy a video game I associate with her. It's an emotional response, a kind of f-you to her as a person.

But logically you're right, you know? I have all sorts of electronics and gadgets that contributed to armed conflict in central Africa or child labour in China. I do need one or two of them, but not all of them - I could have at least made an effort to get my Switch second-hand, or got a less fancy phone that hopefully had a less dire impact on the world. It's not like I don't care about the issues! And typing that out I feel a bit bad that I didn't try harder, to be honest! But at the same time, I recognise it's silly to expect change to come from a handful of particularly conscientious consumers feeling guilty and deciding to get Fairphones instead of Samsungs. It's the system of global capitalism that props up mine-warlords in the Congo, not individual purchasing preferences.

So the real way to lobby for change in society is through organising and solidarity, right? For instance, you advocate for (and if possible help out with!) unions if you want better working conditions and worker's rights. The goal is to get people talking about unions, to understand why they're important and what they can do, and fingers crossed people then join and contribute dues or time or take part in actions. Or if it's racism and social justice you feel strongly about, then the BLM protests are a good example of something you can be really vocal in your support for, and so on.

I guess my conclusion is that while choosing not to buy something (even as part of a boycott) is not going to make a great deal of difference in and of itself, using a controversial product as an opportunity to advocate for systemic change might be impactful. I'm not actually going to save the world by buying a Fairphone, but maybe if I were to buy one then talk to people about conflict minerals or climate change then that could have a positive impact. Buying a Harry Potter videogame doesn't make someone a transphobe, but if someone is trans or a trans ally and advocates for trans rights by telling people why they're not buying the game then I think that's a reasonable form of activism.

I don't know what the best way to phrase the discussion is, but I think lots of people saying "I'm not buying J.K. Rowling's new game because she is a horrible bigot" is good. I'm not going to try to talk anyone else out of making the purchase, but I definitely am going to try to convince people that there is a movement of people - of which J.K. Rowling is one - spreading really quite vicious anti-trans rhetoric; that this group is really very aggressive with how it lobbies politicians and the media, and tries very hard to make its arguments seem "scientific" or "feminist", but actually has more in common with the anti gay rights movement; and that as it picks up steam, it's also becoming an engine for more general homophobia of all different kinds, using anti-trans rhetoric as a wedge. As long as we're all genuinely aware of J.K. Rowling's really nasty bigotry and her role in all that then I don't personally care that much if anyone buys the game or not because this moment will have fulfilled its purpose in spreading that information.

Saying all that, I still think it's fair enough if trans people or queer allies, who are currently having all sorts of abuse thrown at them because of J.K. Rowling, call someone a dickhead for buying Harry Potter stuff. Trans people might well take this as a mark of who is a genuine ally, so I feel like people who choose to make the purchase have got to bear that in mind and take it on the chin.

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PostRe: Hogwarts Legacy (Harry Potter game) - PS5, XSX, PS4, XBO, PC - 2021
by DarkRula » Thu Sep 17, 2020 3:59 pm

Vermilion wrote:i'm really impressed at how you can venture beyond Hogwarts, it looks like they've built a really expansive world to explore.


I just want to know how realised the castle and grounds are. Sure, we had Order of the Phoenix and Half-Blood Prince's games give us a pretty accurate version of the movie version, but despite how great it looked, there was a feeling of emptiness as well. It didn't feel as though you were exploring the castle - just a best of compilation of the known places. With this, I'd want to explore every part of it, and if they have to make changes from the movie version to do so, then that's okay with me. I highly doubt we'd get London featured here in any capacity, which means the other areas we can explore will be able to be made a bit more magical.

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by Denster » Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:00 pm

If its good I'll buy it. I like the books and the films and can separate them from the current issues. I got into the series because my kids loved them. See no reason to revise that. My youngest is 21 now. She has chosen to shun all association with Rowling. Its her right to choose and her reasons for that choice. It's not been a source of contention. She has no issue with my take.
Have no issue with anyone that does. Your call. Vote with your wallet by all means.

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by Tomous » Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:01 pm

Just to put in perspective the significance of the platform JK Rowling enjoys, Mermaids issued this statement:

Today, J.K.Rowling re-stated her position on transgender lives. We have previously reached out to her both publicly and privately, offering a calm conversation around the issues she has raised and today, we sent a further email to her team, renewing that offer. We are yet to receive a response.

As part of that email, we have disclosed something we hoped never to say. We say it now with permission from those involved. Without giving personal detail, without betraying confidences, we must represent the seriousness of the situation. We are aware through our work with families that there have been cases of self-harm and even attempted suicide following J.K.Rowling’s statements and the public response on social media and in the press. Surely this must cause us all to pause and question the way young trans lives are being debated in public

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PostRe: Hogwarts Legacy (Harry Potter game) - PS5, XSX, PS4, XBO, PC - 2021
by Tafdolphin » Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:05 pm

Denster wrote:If its good I'll buy it. I like the books and the films and can separate them from the current issues. I got into the series because my kids loved them. See no reason to revise that. My youngest is 21 now. She has chosen to shun all association with Rowling. Its her right to choose and her reasons for that choice. It's not been a source of contention. She has no issue with my take.
Have no issue with anyone that does. Your call. Vote with your wallet by all means.


Quelle surprise

Late edit: Here's why that bolded part is bollocks. I mean, I posted this already but still. Obviously bares repeating.

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by Denster » Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:07 pm

Your French is coming on a treat.

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PostRe: Hogwarts Legacy (Harry Potter game) - PS5, XSX, PS4, XBO, PC - 2021
by Clarkman » Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:08 pm

To those suggesting that an active boycott wouldn't damage sales, there's actually significant evidence of both the first and secondhand market for Rowling's books having slumped in the last six months, as she's publicly taken hardline bigoted views. This is during a period when otherwise the trade has been booming.

See reports here and here.

Boycotts work. strawberry float all products associated with her worlds.

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by Denster » Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:12 pm

My friends 7 year old wants Harry Potter lego for her birthday. I'm in a quandary now.

Could get her star wars instead I suppose. She loves both.

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by aayl1 » Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:25 pm

Denster wrote:My friends 7 year old wants Harry Potter lego for her birthday. I'm in a quandary now.

Could get her star wars instead I suppose. She loves both.


Star Wars Lego is way better than Harry Potter Lego anyway. The chunky mechanical vehicles lend themselves way better to Lego bricks I think.

strawberry floating love that Lego X Wing.

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by DarkRula » Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:25 pm

The only way she's going to be stopped is by putting her in prison for life or by doing something that'd get you put in prison for life. At this point she just doesn't care. She holds to her views and nothing will stop her putting them out, purely because she wants all the attention she can get (and all of the money, but considering she'll never run out of that, it seems kind of moot). She's hurt plenty through her words, but why would she change her position? Why would she apologise? She believes she holds all the power from the popularity that Harry Potter made her, but she just does not want to let that go. Her views hold that power because she can cause controversy over and over and get trending on Twitter and become a name in the spotlight over and over.

What she says is bigoted, and those views need to be stamped out by educating people that trans people, black people, and every type of person on this Earth has every right to be among us and not recieve hate for their differences. But maybe, don't bring her name into this and make sure she loses the power she holds in bringing those bigoted views into the view of the world. Sure, it's just one person, but she is also - at present - one of the most vocal people presenting these views to the world. Unfortunately, she has too much of a following for that to be effective.

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by Denster » Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:26 pm

aayl1 wrote:
Denster wrote:My friends 7 year old wants Harry Potter lego for her birthday. I'm in a quandary now.

Could get her star wars instead I suppose. She loves both.


Star Wars Lego is way better than Harry Potter Lego anyway. The chunky mechanical vehicles lend themselves way better to Lego bricks I think.

strawberry floating love that Lego X Wing.

I said that to her straight away. I'll Speak to her mum as well.

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by DarkRula » Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:28 pm

Denster wrote:My friends 7 year old wants Harry Potter lego for her birthday. I'm in a quandary now.

Could get her star wars instead I suppose. She loves both.


Star Wars definitely lends itself better to LEGO, as there's a lot that can and has been done with the various ships and land vehicles the series has, with some pretty cool-looking characters included, too.

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by Frank » Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:29 pm

It's hard not to bring her name into it when the first line of the credits will be "Based on the Wizarding World of JK Rowling" :shifty:

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by DarkRula » Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:33 pm

Frank wrote:It's hard not to bring her name into it when the first line of the credits will be "Based on the Wizarding World of JK Rowling" :shifty:


I'm talking of all the news outlets reposting everything she says in 'awareness' of the hate and bigotry that such groups face.

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by That » Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:54 pm

Clarkman wrote:To those suggesting that an active boycott wouldn't damage sales, there's actually significant evidence of both the first and secondhand market for Rowling's books having slumped in the last six months, as she's publicly taken hardline bigoted views. This is during a period when otherwise the trade has been booming.

See reports here and here.

Boycotts work. strawberry float all products associated with her worlds.

I can't tell if this is aimed at me...? Maybe I'm being paranoid? It feels like it is, but I never actually said "an active boycott wouldn't damage sales" (of course it will). And I think an organised boycott can be a focal point around which to educate about systemic issues of bigotry that are manifesting through reactionary social movements (e.g. "TERF"-ism etc.) and bring people into solidarity on those issues. I am boycotting the game.

I admit it's not clear to me how a moderate impact on the sales figures of J.K. Rowling associated works (i.e. up 10.9% compared to 31.4% in the wider sector) will directly affect the transphobic lobby groups that J.K. Rowling is associated with, or indeed the wider regressive anti-queer movement that is starting to build up around it all. I feel like we should be realistic about that. But that doesn't mean that the organising and messaging associated with this can't be very valuable. I think the Mermaids statement Tomous posted, which is very sad, will reach a lot of people now and hopefully open some eyes to the cruelty of J.K. Rowling's rhetoric.

All I'm saying is it's a fair comment that no-one can be an ethical consumer in a world that ties commodity production into all sorts of systemic inequalities. You have to grapple with that if you want to attach moral value to the boycott (or rather, immoral value to the purchase, I suppose). My personal take on that is that I stick to rhetoric that focuses on why I'm uncomfortable supporting the thing - I personally think that's a good tactic as it centres the intended work of organising and educating in order to build solidarity. (While also absolutely recognising the right of others to use different rhetorical styles - I'm not saying I have the one true correct way to react to this, I'm just answering a specific question asked by Mori and KK.)

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