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Ironhide wrote:Vegetarianism and veganism will become the norm as meat production becomes too costly due to environmental changes, some meat will be available but will be grown in a lab rather than from actual animals and be too expensive for the average person.

We'll probably be eating ground-up insects, made to look, smell and taste like meat. Locust Burger, anyone?

I think the pessimism about the US not adopting a more progressive system is well founded as so many people there who I honestly feel would rather live in a Mad Max style hellhole than embrace any type of socialism.

Alvin Flummux wrote:

Ironhide wrote:Vegetarianism and veganism will become the norm as meat production becomes too costly due to environmental changes, some meat will be available but will be grown in a lab rather than from actual animals and be too expensive for the average person.

We'll probably be eating ground-up insects, made to look, smell and taste like meat. Locust Burger, anyone?

Meat will be grown in labs.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... 00604d59ff

Peter Crisp wrote:

Alvin Flummux wrote:

Ironhide wrote:Vegetarianism and veganism will become the norm as meat production becomes too costly due to environmental changes, some meat will be available but will be grown in a lab rather than from actual animals and be too expensive for the average person.

We'll probably be eating ground-up insects, made to look, smell and taste like meat. Locust Burger, anyone?

Meat will be grown in labs.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... 00604d59ff

Hopefully it won't taste like Quorn

Peter Crisp wrote:

Alvin Flummux wrote:

Ironhide wrote:Vegetarianism and veganism will become the norm as meat production becomes too costly due to environmental changes, some meat will be available but will be grown in a lab rather than from actual animals and be too expensive for the average person.

We'll probably be eating ground-up insects, made to look, smell and taste like meat. Locust Burger, anyone?

Meat will be grown in labs.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... 00604d59ff

Hope the cost isn't too prohibitive.

Ironhide wrote:Robots will be a common sight and be carrying out construction, manual labour and some policing jobs.

In 80 years? Not a chance. Maybe larger industrial stuff like farming that can be reduced to lots of simple tasks with big machines but a task that requires anything slightly tactile will still be done by humans for a while yet.

Extrapolating from the industry I work in, I think for at least the first wave of automation I think we'll see the roles of people change rather than eliminated.

Alvin Flummux wrote:

Peter Crisp wrote:

Alvin Flummux wrote:

Ironhide wrote:Vegetarianism and veganism will become the norm as meat production becomes too costly due to environmental changes, some meat will be available but will be grown in a lab rather than from actual animals and be too expensive for the average person.

We'll probably be eating ground-up insects, made to look, smell and taste like meat. Locust Burger, anyone?

Meat will be grown in labs.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... 00604d59ff

Hope the cost isn't too prohibitive.

The costs will come down eventually, the first CD burners available cost over £30,000, now they're about £30.

Hime wrote:

Ironhide wrote:Robots will be a common sight and be carrying out construction, manual labour and some policing jobs.

In 80 years? Not a chance. Maybe larger industrial stuff like farming that can be reduced to lots of simple tasks with big machines but a task that requires anything slightly tactile will still be done by humans for a while yet.

Extrapolating from the industry I work in, I think for at least the first wave of automation I think we'll see the roles of people change rather than eliminated.

We will probably see robots and humans working together a lot more than we do at present. We're a long ways off having police droids, but robots that can carry heavy loads, drones that watch for structural weaknesses etc? Much more likely.

Ironhide wrote:

Alvin Flummux wrote:

Peter Crisp wrote:

Alvin Flummux wrote:

Ironhide wrote:Vegetarianism and veganism will become the norm as meat production becomes too costly due to environmental changes, some meat will be available but will be grown in a lab rather than from actual animals and be too expensive for the average person.

We'll probably be eating ground-up insects, made to look, smell and taste like meat. Locust Burger, anyone?

Meat will be grown in labs.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... 00604d59ff

Hope the cost isn't too prohibitive.

The costs will come down eventually, the first CD burners available cost over £30,000, now they're about £30.

Does that principle carry over to artificially grown meat, though?

AI rights might become an issue. When robots and computers are smart enough to have free will, who has responsibility for their actions? Might be an interesting question to come up when that happens.

Evil Ted wrote:AI rights might become an issue. When robots and computers are smart enough to have free will, who has responsibility for their actions? Might be an interesting question to come up when that happens.

That will be a legal minefield that will bring into spotlight the idea of consciousness.
An AI may look like it has free will but where's the point when it changes from a computer just running code we create to being self aware and having feeling of real awakening.

Peter Crisp wrote:

Evil Ted wrote:AI rights might become an issue. When robots and computers are smart enough to have free will, who has responsibility for their actions? Might be an interesting question to come up when that happens.

That will be a legal minefield that will bring into spotlight the idea of consciousness.
An AI may look like it has free will but where's the point when it changes from a computer just running code we create to being self aware and having feeling of real awakening.

We're already getting there with machine learning and neural nets. Given a few decades, maybe even less, we'll have programs that nobody can legitimately claim to have written, and computers will be making decisions that nobody can claim to have made themselves.

Evil Ted wrote:

Peter Crisp wrote:

Evil Ted wrote:AI rights might become an issue. When robots and computers are smart enough to have free will, who has responsibility for their actions? Might be an interesting question to come up when that happens.

That will be a legal minefield that will bring into spotlight the idea of consciousness.
An AI may look like it has free will but where's the point when it changes from a computer just running code we create to being self aware and having feeling of real awakening.

We're already getting there with machine learning and neural nets. Given a few decades, maybe even less, we'll have programs that nobody can legitimately claim to have written, and computers will be making decisions that nobody can claim to have made themselves.

OK but the real problem is deciding what is or isn't conscious or sentient.
Plenty of robots now can learn and program themselves with unexpected outcomes but they're nowhere near to either.

Peter Crisp wrote:OK but the real problem is deciding what is or isn't conscious or sentient.
Plenty of robots now can learn and program themselves with unexpected outcomes but they're nowhere near to either.

What happens when a robot programs itself to commit a crime?

Evil Ted wrote:

Peter Crisp wrote:OK but the real problem is deciding what is or isn't conscious or sentient.
Plenty of robots now can learn and program themselves with unexpected outcomes but they're nowhere near to either.

What happens when a robot programs itself to commit a crime?

That in itself is not a sure sign of either consciousness or sentience as laws are just rules that are set out by people and put into ancestor versions of itself.

Deciding consciousness or sentience will take many and varied tests most likely taking years if not decades to come to a conclusion.
Once it is decided they will have all the rights anyone has in whatever country it resides.

Peter Crisp wrote:

Evil Ted wrote:

Peter Crisp wrote:OK but the real problem is deciding what is or isn't conscious or sentient.
Plenty of robots now can learn and program themselves with unexpected outcomes but they're nowhere near to either.

What happens when a robot programs itself to commit a crime?

That in itself is not a sure sign of either consciousness or sentience as laws are just rules that are set out by people and put into ancestor versions of itself.

Deciding consciousness or sentience will take many and varied tests most likely taking years if not decades to come to a conclusion.
Once it is decided they will have all the rights anyone has in whatever country it resides.

And if it is found that this machine is not conscious, but is just a computer, who, if anyone, takes the blame for the crime?

Evil Ted wrote:And if it is found that this machine is not conscious, but is just a computer, who, if anyone, takes the blame for the crime?

That's exactly the dilemma the auto industry are in now with autonomous cars.
If an autonomous car faces a no win scenario and has to crash and kill the driver or kill a pedestrian or just decides for whatever reason to run someone over who do you blame?
It's neither sentient or conscious but has made a decision and someone has died do you blame the programmers or just chalk it up to bad luck?

Peter Crisp wrote:

Evil Ted wrote:And if it is found that this machine is not conscious, but is just a computer, who, if anyone, takes the blame for the crime?

That's exactly the dilemma the auto industry are in now with autonomous cars.
If an autonomous car faces a no win scenario and has to crash and kill the driver or kill a pedestrian or just decides for whatever reason to run someone over who do you blame?
It's neither sentient or conscious but has made a decision and someone has died do you blame the programmers or just chalk it up to bad luck?

We're in for a fun few decades working this out, huh.

Evil Ted wrote:We're in for a fun few decades working this out, huh.

It's going to be an interesting debate and if machines do become sentient are we then allowed to continue to force them to do stuff or is that slavery?

See, this is why exo-suits are the better investment - not so likely to overthrow mankind.

All cars will be electric or hydrogen powered