Hime wrote:Dowbocop wrote:Hime wrote:Anyone ego thinks it isn't necessary hasn't seen the huge amount of commuters from the north into London on a Monday and out on a Friday.
Getting traffic off the roads is obviously a good thing, hopefully they'll get more freight on three railway as well.
I travelled from Euston to Liverpool almost every Friday night for nine months and it wasn't that busy. It's just taken my wife an hour to get from Wigan to Liverpool just on a standard Tuesday night using motorways, and our house is a five minute drive from the M62 (in theory!)
Did you use the M11 or M25?
Just to clarify, did you mistype and mean the M1? I don't know what the M11 has to do with reducing traffic going to the north from London, that's why I'm asking. In any event, you have no idea where a car on the motorway is coming from or where it's going, so you can't say that HS2 is going to improve those motorways. For instance, my sister lives in Berkshire, and when she drives to my other sister in Walthamstow I'm pretty sure she uses the M4/40, M25 and the M11! If she gets to my house in Liverpool she's pretty strawberry floating lost
I know that if you get on the Lime Street train you are going at the very least to Stafford, in the north Midlands. Ditto the Manchester train, although that does stop at Nuneaton and Rugby I think which are a bit more central. The point is that if people are using their cars for that journey instead of the line which I was on which had alright capacity in my experience, then it could be because the route after the WCML, e.g. from Stafford to Stoke or Runcorn to Tranmere* is a bit crap, which HS2 won't help, but investment in regional rail and bus will. Other factors could be people being snobbish about public transport, people needing to transport a lot of stuff, or costs of using the railway. All of these are different issues.
Writing mini-essays about trains on my phone is not how I envisaged this evening going...
* I don't know what those routes are like to be fair, just picked a pair of towns near each other...