If someone says something offensive, how should society deal with it?

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by Karl_ » Fri Mar 19, 2021 1:53 pm

(Re: discussion on previous page)

I don't beieve that voting is the best or only way to engage in politics, and I'm particularly careful that the left should not ultimately accept or legitimise "winning elections" as a just mandate for fascism. Fascism is still evil if it wins a hypothetically fair election, let alone a broken, non-proportional election in a propaganda state. But I do vote personally. In a Tory/X marginal I would vote X, otherwise I would vote for the furthest-left party. That was Labour under Corbyn, but it'll probably be Plaid Cymru next time.

If we're posting our first vote L's, I voted Lib Dem in 2010. I was much less engaged and just fell for the bait and switch. It was a bad vote given what happened next, but what can you do - my vote wasn't meaningful anyway and it taught me to pay closer attention to actual political ideology, not just the pre-election marketing campaign, so at least I learned something.

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by Prototype » Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:37 pm

I think with the teen vogue thing it could be easily argued that her position was untenable. Regardless of her ability to carry out her role and regardless if she has deleted and has moved on from the gooseberry fool she posted, if that amount of people wanted you out their may be a mutual parting of the ways.

I’d doubt any court/tribunal would uphold a constructive dismissal verdict in this case.

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by Vermilion » Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:37 pm

My voting history in general elections has switched back and forth between Labour and Tory several times, usually it depends on the issues of the day.

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by Moggy » Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:49 pm

For General Elections I voted Lib Dem up to 2010. From 2015 onwards I've voted Labour.

In local elections and EU elections ( :cry: ) I've voted for a mixture of Lib Dem, Labour, Green and independents.

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by That's not a growth » Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:53 pm

The first time I voted in a GE was the most recent one, and this was the first time my constituency flipped away from the party I voted for (labour) in decades. Democracy doesn't work :x

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by Victor Mildew » Fri Mar 19, 2021 3:01 pm

I voted for Pedro Sanchez.

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by Tomous » Fri Mar 19, 2021 3:16 pm

That's not a growth wrote:The first time I voted in a GE was the most recent one, and this was the first time my constituency flipped away from the party I voted for (labour) in decades. Democracy doesn't work :x



Do you think word got out who you were voting for and that influenced everyone to flip?

I'd blame myself.

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by Knoyleo » Fri Mar 19, 2021 3:51 pm

Victor Mildew wrote:I voted for Pedro Sanchez.

I voted for Kodos.

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by Jenuall » Fri Mar 19, 2021 4:00 pm

I voted for Lime

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by Lex-Man » Fri Mar 19, 2021 4:19 pm

I think I've mainly voted LD but have kind of soured on them in recent years and started voted Green and Labour, I really don't know who I'll vote for in the next election although it doesn't really matter as the Tories have a massive strong hold on this area. Probably vote Labour again because it really doesn't matter who I vote for here.

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by VlaSoul » Fri Mar 19, 2021 4:22 pm

I've only been able to vote for three years lol
Like I guess most of my generational cohort I voted labour both times. I've considered green but I'm not so sure about their politics currently. Either way I live in the borough of windsor and maidenhead so my vote does not and will never matter, though it did when I was at uni in colchester.

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by jawa2 » Fri Mar 19, 2021 4:25 pm

Jenuall wrote:I voted for Lime

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by That's not a growth » Fri Mar 19, 2021 4:26 pm

Tomous wrote:
That's not a growth wrote:The first time I voted in a GE was the most recent one, and this was the first time my constituency flipped away from the party I voted for (labour) in decades. Democracy doesn't work :x



Do you think word got out who you were voting for and that influenced everyone to flip?

I'd blame myself.


Well, I didn't...

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by Cuttooth » Fri Mar 19, 2021 4:28 pm

VlaSoul wrote:I've only been able to vote for three years lol
Like I guess most of my generational cohort I voted labour both times. I've considered green but I'm not so sure about their politics currently. Either way I live in the borough of windsor and maidenhead so my vote does not and will never matter, though it did when I was at uni in colchester.

Is Theresa May your MP?

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by jawa2 » Fri Mar 19, 2021 4:30 pm

I've voted for all the main parties (Labour, Liberal Democrat, Tory, Green) at various elections since around 1989. I never stick to one for long; I always think of it as voting for "the least worst" at any particular time. I'm not crazy about any of them.

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by VlaSoul » Fri Mar 19, 2021 4:31 pm

Cuttooth wrote:
VlaSoul wrote:I've only been able to vote for three years lol
Like I guess most of my generational cohort I voted labour both times. I've considered green but I'm not so sure about their politics currently. Either way I live in the borough of windsor and maidenhead so my vote does not and will never matter, though it did when I was at uni in colchester.

Is Theresa May your MP?

My mistake, apparently Windsor and Maidenhead were made into two separate constituencies. She's the MP for Maidenhead and her colleague Adam Afriyie is the MP for Windsor. I live in the Windsor area.

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by Prototype » Fri Mar 19, 2021 5:04 pm

Usually I would vote SNP in the upcoming Scottish parliament elections. However, the named persons scheme, P1 testing and now the 10/10 in theory but 1/10 in excecution Hate Crime Bill has me losing all confidence in them.

Will still be dead before I vote Tory and the only other option in my seat is a Lib Dem. :fp:

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by Drumstick » Fri Mar 19, 2021 5:52 pm

Jenuall wrote:My parents were always die hard Labour supporters so my starting point politically as a child was toward them but since being of the age to vote I've largely just voted for whoever will beat the Conservatives.

Pretty sure this is my voting history:

2005: Plaid Cymru (Cardiff Central was going Lib Dem either way so just voted for Plaid by default)
2010: Lib Dems (to beat the Conservatives in Cheltenham - succeeded)
2015: Lib Dems (to beat the Conservatives in Cheltenham - failed)
2017: Lib Dems (to beat the Conservatives in Cheltenham - failed)
2019: Labour (to beat the Conservatives in Cardiff North - succeeded)

2010: Lib Dem
2015: Green
2017: Labour
2019: Labour

In 2010 I was less engaged and just went with what sounded good. In 2015 the country had been turning to gooseberry fool for sometime, a tactical Labour wasn't a viable option in my area so I voted either my heart. However Labour installed a new councillor in our constituency after 2015 and she was very visible and did plenty of good, so I voted for her in 2017, as did plenty of others, which saw them go from around 10% of the vote to low 30s. I voted Labour again in 2019 but she lost around 3000 votes to the Lib Dem candidate. I've since moved and haven't actually check what constituency I'm in now, so I might check back with that.

Edit: turns out I've moved from one edge of that constituency to the opposite. Ho hum.

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by Tomous » Sat Mar 20, 2021 11:23 am

Ralph Fiennes has outed himself as a bigot, or at least a bigot sympathiser.

"I can’t understand the vitriol directed at her," the actor told The Telegraph in an interview published Wednesday. "I can understand the heat of an argument, but I find this age of accusation and the need to condemn irrational. I find the level of hatred that people express about views that differ from theirs, and the violence of language towards others, disturbing."

Fiennes split with many of his fellow Harry Potter castmates — including stars Daniel Radcliffe, Emma Watson and Rupert Grint — who have reacted to the uproar by issuing statements of support for the trans community.


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/theatre/wha ... emotional/


It is utterly awful how acceptable transphobia is in society.

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by Moggy » Sat Mar 20, 2021 11:27 am

I see the freedom of speech loving flag shaggers are currently furious because Huw Edwards posted a picture of himself with the Welsh flag. The BBC need to sack him for this apparently.

It's almost like they don't actually believe in freedom of speech or being proud of your country's flag....

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