If someone says something offensive, how should society deal with it?

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PostRe: If someone says something offensive, how should society deal with it?
by VlaSoul » Sun Mar 21, 2021 4:14 pm

speedboatchase wrote:
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Drumstick wrote:You see this sort of nonsense all the time, with people prejudiced against their own kind.

Take Priti Patel as an obvious example, the daughter of immigrants from Uganda. Of course for Patel, it's totally fine that her parents came here, but all the other immigrants can get out and stay out. Same deal with Sajid Javid.

south asian tories are like this in general init

It's kind of a cultural thing in more privileged south asians/south asians who successfully pull themselves up the social ladder; often they'll put themselves on a higher pedestal than other desis and especially immigrants from other areas for various reasons. Gujratis like her also tend to fall into this category often because they're among the most wealthly of all of us, their families having done well for themselves during like late colonialism. imo holdovers from the caste system play a part here as well


I really dislike this argument but it’s very common. It implies that POCs must think a certain way, that despite being British for multiple generations, must put ethnicity first. The same people who say "Anyone can be British" are surprisingly quick to turn to "Wait a second. Didn't your grandfather..." to win an argument.

It could be that some South Asians prefer Tory policies, in the same way that white people are free to like the Tories without their race being brought into it.

When I see this argument on the Twitter left it’s always very personalised - one of the main people from CAGE last year had a Twitter thread with right-wing POCs, mainly women, in photos next to their white partners - a not so subtle nod to them being race traitors brought into the mix.

I guess I'm speaking at least partially anecdotally, but when it comes to south asians there's often a sense of like social entitlement with the richer and older ones. A point of comparison is Sadiq Khan and Priti Patel; Khan comes from a working class background whereas Patel comes from a rich colonialist background. They're understandably on completely different sides of the political spectrum.

I don't like the "race traitor" stuff ofc, it's an example of the sort of absolute extreme idpol we see on the left these days, but when I generalise this part of the south asian british community it's a comment on the cultural influences they grew up around. We come here with somewhat different values from the pre-existing population, and these values go on to influence the thought process of the later generations. Often said values are less liberal and this is exacerbated by the fact that we often form into communities of similar groupings of immigrants. There's definitely an echo chamber effect that forms. It isn't a concious matter of "putting ethnicity first", it's a result of the cultural influences present during the formative years.

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PostRe: If someone says something offensive, how should society deal with it?
by Grumpy David » Fri Mar 26, 2021 11:31 pm

The school teacher in Yorkshire has had to go into hiding due to very real threats of violence against him for an RE class he taught and showed Charlie Hebdo drawings of Muhammed to. Has an obvious similarity to the teacher Samuel Pety in France who was murdered by a terrorist not too long ago.

And the school has had to restart remote learning because of the threats too.

https://www.change.org/p/batley-grammar-school-keep-mr-denville-at-batley-grammar-school?recruiter=307940145

A student at the school has started a petition which has now got over 30,000 signatures in support of him keeping his job.

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by Preezy » Sat Mar 27, 2021 8:31 am

All seems to be getting out of hand, sadly in a very predictable manner. I don't think the school should have suspended him or even apologised for his actions - as if showing a cartoon in an educational setting can be considered something to apologise for. It's not like he was showing it to his mates in the pub, and even then he should be free to do so without risk of being attacked or killed, it's just obscene.

The idea of there being forbidden images that must not be shown in a free society is just unworkable, except the obvious ones like child porn or bestiality. Religions shouldn't be given the level of respect and reverence they demand, but I guess that's a bigger discussion.

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PostRe: If someone says something offensive, how should society deal with it?
by Albear » Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:27 pm

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-56574974

Is this an example of Cancel culture?

Guy might be gulity as sin for all I know, but makes me unconfortable that his life is seemingly impacted greatly before being found guilty of anything.

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PostRe: If someone says something offensive, how should society deal with it?
by Tomous » Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:37 pm

Albear wrote:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-56574974

Is this an example of Cancel culture?

Guy might be gulity as sin for all I know, but makes me unconfortable that his life is seemingly impacted greatly before being found guilty of anything.



If anyone needs to be cancelled it is that strawberry floating weirdo.

They need to put him in therapy before he kills or eats someone.

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PostRe: If someone says something offensive, how should society deal with it?
by Cuttooth » Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:39 pm

See whenever I click a link for a new claim of cancel culture I'm expecting someone saying a racial slur or a crude joke, rather than an actor being dropped from a role because they're being investigated by the police over an allegation of rape.

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PostRe: If someone says something offensive, how should society deal with it?
by Albear » Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:42 pm

Sorry, I might not be understanding the rules around Cancel Culture. Apologies.


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