If someone says something offensive, how should society deal with it?

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I think this is where I come down on it.

Had Conde Nast handled this properly, the team might have felt less repulsion to working under this new editor. Apparently many staff meetings were held after the appointment was publicly announced, including this person meeting and personally apologising for her tweets, but there doesn't seem to be any reports of how and/or if the team was consulted on whether this issue affected them before the final decision was made.

Businesses aren't democracies, but Teen Vogue isn't a normal business. It's a world famous magazine. You'd have thought someone might have thought to bring the issue up at an all-hands prior to the whole shitshow going down.

Yea, there was a way that this could have been handled and evidently it was handled differently.

I think there's a way that this could have been managed where the person could probably have been able to vocalise that she is no longer that person but, for reasons that are not and probably will never be fully revealed, that is not the situation she's in.

Sucks to be her I guess, but a boss who cannot effectively be a boss for whatever reason just doesn't get to be a boss.

Tafdolphin wrote:

twitter.com/ashleyfeinberg/status/1372622897567703041

I think this is where I come down on it.

That's assuming there are no office politics going on with ulterior motives...

I wonder how that would stand up in UK employment law. Sounds like unfair dismissal to me.

I voted conservative when I was 18 so we can definitely make big mistakes at that age

OrangeRKN wrote:I voted conservative when I was 18 so we can definitely make big mistakes at that age

Wow. This is not ok.

Brexit is your fault. Basically.

Prepare to be #cancelled

OrangeRKN wrote:I voted conservative when I was 18 so we can definitely make big mistakes at that age

You've got 10 seconds to beat it before I add you to the list of NSF casualties.

JCDenton wrote:

OrangeRKN wrote:I voted conservative when I was 18 so we can definitely make big mistakes at that age

You've got 10 seconds to beat it before I add you to the list of NSF casualties.

Stop, don't shoot. I surrender.

Dual wrote:

OrangeRKN wrote:I voted conservative when I was 18 so we can definitely make big mistakes at that age

Wow. This is not ok.

Brexit is your fault. Basically.

Prepare to be #cancelled

Harsh but fair

(Labour still won the seat)

Winckle wrote:

JCDenton wrote:

OrangeRKN wrote:I voted conservative when I was 18 so we can definitely make big mistakes at that age

You've got 10 seconds to beat it before I add you to the list of NSF casualties.

Stop, don't shoot. I surrender.

Clever boy.

OrangeRKN wrote:I voted conservative when I was 18 so we can definitely make big mistakes at that age

This is an example of something we should never forgive

I genuinely can't remember if I voted Labour or Lib-Dem prior to 2014. Neither fills me with any kind of joy given how quickly both parties jumped into bed with the conservatives when it suited them.

I was always Labour until Sturgeon took over the SNP.

My parents were always die hard Labour supporters so my starting point politically as a child was toward them but since being of the age to vote I've largely just voted for whoever will beat the Conservatives.

Pretty sure this is my voting history:

2005: Plaid Cymru (Cardiff Central was going Lib Dem either way so just voted for Plaid by default)
2010: Lib Dems (to beat the Conservatives in Cheltenham - succeeded)
2015: Lib Dems (to beat the Conservatives in Cheltenham - failed)
2017: Lib Dems (to beat the Conservatives in Cheltenham - failed)
2019: Labour (to beat the Conservatives in Cardiff North - succeeded)

Dual wrote:I wonder how that would stand up in UK employment law. Sounds like unfair dismissal to me.

She stepped down.

Tafdolphin wrote:

Dual wrote:I wonder how that would stand up in UK employment law. Sounds like unfair dismissal to me.

She stepped down.

Was she pushed though? If her employer has made her position untenable that's the same as being fired/made redundant.

Your original post says she was 'forced' out.

Dual wrote:

Tafdolphin wrote:

Dual wrote:I wonder how that would stand up in UK employment law. Sounds like unfair dismissal to me.

She stepped down.

Was she pushed though? If her employer has made her position untenable that's the same as being fired/made redundant.

Your original post says she was 'forced' out.

She resigned, which I'm pretty sure means it falls out the remit of employment law? Unless she personally challenged it.

Tafdolphin wrote:

Dual wrote:

Tafdolphin wrote:

Dual wrote:I wonder how that would stand up in UK employment law. Sounds like unfair dismissal to me.

She stepped down.

Was she pushed though? If her employer has made her position untenable that's the same as being fired/made redundant.

Your original post says she was 'forced' out.

She resigned, which I'm pretty sure means it falls out the remit of employment law? Unless she personally challenged it.

Not necessarily, if she felt forced to resign by the employer it could be deemed constructive dismissal. In this country at least, not America as you can fire people for whatever you want pretty much there.

Tomous wrote:

Tafdolphin wrote:

Dual wrote:

Tafdolphin wrote:

Dual wrote:I wonder how that would stand up in UK employment law. Sounds like unfair dismissal to me.

She stepped down.

Was she pushed though? If her employer has made her position untenable that's the same as being fired/made redundant.

Your original post says she was 'forced' out.

She resigned, which I'm pretty sure means it falls out the remit of employment law? Unless she personally challenged it.

Not necessarily, if she felt forced to resign by the employer it could be deemed constructive dismissal. In this country at least, not America as you can fire people for whatever you want pretty much there.

Yeah, but she'd have to challenge that right? It wouldn't just kick in automatically?

Tafdolphin wrote:

Tomous wrote:

Tafdolphin wrote:

Dual wrote:

Tafdolphin wrote:

Dual wrote:I wonder how that would stand up in UK employment law. Sounds like unfair dismissal to me.

She stepped down.

Was she pushed though? If her employer has made her position untenable that's the same as being fired/made redundant.

Your original post says she was 'forced' out.

She resigned, which I'm pretty sure means it falls out the remit of employment law? Unless she personally challenged it.

Not necessarily, if she felt forced to resign by the employer it could be deemed constructive dismissal. In this country at least, not America as you can fire people for whatever you want pretty much there.

Yeah, but she'd have to challenge that right? It wouldn't just kick in automatically?

She'd have to make a claim the claim to an employment tribunal, and prove her case.


Edit: sorry i see what you meant by personally challenged it now, yeh