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PostRe: Immortals: Fenyx Rising | NSW/PS4/XBO/PC | 03.12.2020
by OrangeRKN » Fri Oct 23, 2020 12:49 pm

OrangeRKN wrote:There's so many games that draw from various aspects of Greek mythology but much less with it as their explicit setting/theme, so I don't think it's too derivative or boring from that perspective. The art style alone does a lot to differentiate it from AC Odyssey, it's definitely no God of War, and Kid Icarus has hardly been oversaturating the market!


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PostRe: Immortals: Fenyx Rising | NSW/PS4/XBO/PC | 03.12.2020
by Drumstick » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:42 pm



The game isn't out yet and they're already pushing DLC or "post launch content" which of course couldn't have been included in the base game.

I'm out.

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PostRe: Immortals: Fenyx Rising | NSW/PS4/XBO/PC | 03.12.2020
by Tomous » Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:07 am

It is Ubisoft. That content would have been a pre-order bonus or stuffed into an ULTIMATE EDITION for twice the price.

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PostRe: Immortals: Fenyx Rising | NSW/PS4/XBO/PC | 03.12.2020
by Peter Crisp » Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:16 am

I suppose they have to try and tempt people into the gold version.
This will be a boomerang game for me.

I'm mainly looking forward to it as it could be a decent graphical showcase for the new systems.

jiggles wrote:Nobody with a VR headset is going to be using it regularly this time next year, let alone in 4 years time.


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PostRe: Immortals: Fenyx Rising | NSW/PS4/XBO/PC | 03.12.2020
by Tomous » Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:37 am

Peter Crisp wrote:I suppose they have to try and tempt people into the gold version.
This will be a boomerang game for me.

I'm mainly looking forward to it as it could be a decent graphical showcase for the new systems.



I've just joined Boomerang. Trying out the £4 a month rental. Seems a bargain. How long do new releases take to go onto the bottom tier? I noticed FF7 Remake was available to me but not Last of Us 2.

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PostRe: Immortals: Fenyx Rising | NSW/PS4/XBO/PC | 03.12.2020
by Peter Crisp » Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:42 am

Tomous wrote:
Peter Crisp wrote:I suppose they have to try and tempt people into the gold version.
This will be a boomerang game for me.

I'm mainly looking forward to it as it could be a decent graphical showcase for the new systems.



I've just joined Boomerang. Trying out the £4 a month rental. Seems a bargain. How long do new releases take to go onto the bottom tier? I noticed FF7 Remake was available to me but not Last of Us 2.


I've always used the premium service so I'm not sure, sorry.
The service has always been great so I'd imagine it'd be added pretty quickly.

jiggles wrote:Nobody with a VR headset is going to be using it regularly this time next year, let alone in 4 years time.


Posted 16th March 2016. Let's see.
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PostRe: Immortals: Fenyx Rising | NSW/PS4/XBO/PC | 03.12.2020
by Balladeer » Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:00 am

Drumstick wrote:The game isn't out yet and they're already pushing DLC or "post launch content" which of course couldn't have been included in the base game.

I'm out.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAChrist.

I’ll celebrate anything which stops people buying UbiSoft games, mind.

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PostRe: Immortals: Fenyx Rising | NSW/PS4/XBO/PC | 03.12.2020
by rinks » Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:07 am

Drumstick wrote:

The game isn't out yet and they're already pushing DLC or "post launch content" which of course couldn't have been included in the base game.

I'm out.

At least they’re up-front about it. How did you feel about Breath of the Wild season pass?

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PostRe: Immortals: Fenyx Rising | NSW/PS4/XBO/PC | 03.12.2020
by Drumstick » Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:34 am

rinks wrote:At least they’re up-front about it. How did you feel about Breath of the Wild season pass?

I can't say at the time because I didn't get BOTW until around a year after its release and I wasn't paying attention to any DLC etc for it. I feel that if extra content is made available within, say, 6 months of the main game's release, that indicates to me that the developer/publisher is operating in bad faith.

I've just looked up the BOTW dates and the Wikipedia page says this:
On June 30, 2017, Nintendo released a "season pass" for two bundled downloadable content (DLC): The Master Trials and The Champions' Ballad.[82][83] The Master Trials adds gameplay modes, features, and items. In the Trial of the Sword challenge, Link fights through 45 rooms of enemies and must finish each room before proceeding.[84] Link begins with no equipment but is rewarded with a glowing Master Sword that has greater durability and possesses a doubled damage stat if the player completes the challenge. The pack also adds an option to play the game at a higher difficulty level, called "Master Mode", which adds ranks and raises the ranks of enemies.

The Champions' Ballad was released on December 7, 2017.

On the assumption that The Master Trials was made available on 30/06/17 (feel free to correct me if that's not the case) then this is also very poor from Nintendo.

I personally hold a very dim view of DLC/Season Passes and any other developer/publisher activity that I classify as ethically or morally questionable. Out of principle I don't engage with any DLC (unless of course it comes included, like in the case of 'remasters', the same way I won't purchase a Switch game where only the bare bones of a game is on the cart and the rest requires a hefty download, meaning the end-user is forced into buying extra storage.

Immortals: Fenyx Rising, it seems like they've developed three separate adventures concurrently with the main game. It's just scummy.

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PostRe: Immortals: Fenyx Rising | NSW/PS4/XBO/PC | 03.12.2020
by jawa » Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:45 am

Drumstick wrote:...The game isn't out yet and they're already pushing DLC or "post launch content" which of course couldn't have been included in the base game...

Unfortunately this is pretty standard now; season passes / gold editions are often available for purchase at the launch of the main game. I'm not sure whether it's better to be clear on what the pass will include (i.e. so you know what you're paying for) or to not say what is included (under the pretence that it hasn't been planned out yet).

It sucks either way, really!

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PostRe: Immortals: Fenyx Rising | NSW/PS4/XBO/PC | 03.12.2020
by rinks » Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:02 am

But take something like the recent Assassin’s Creed games. Nobody can say the initial release isn’t a full game, with the vast amount of content you get. If they’re up-front about releasing optional additional content for a fee (often stand-alone, story-wise), I have no problem with that.

If a band released an album, but had some unfinished songs that they released as singles later, is that dishonest? Shouldn’t they make sure the songs were all finished and included on the album?

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by OrangeRKN » Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:20 am

I take the opinion it doesn't matter what isn't included, all that really matters is the value proposition of what is included.

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PostRe: Immortals: Fenyx Rising | NSW/PS4/XBO/PC | 03.12.2020
by Drumstick » Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:26 am

rinks wrote:But take something like the recent Assassin’s Creed games. Nobody can say the initial release isn’t a full game, with the vast amount of content you get. If they’re up-front about releasing optional additional content for a fee (often stand-alone, story-wise), I have no problem with that.

AC isn't a series I follow so I'm not informed enough to comment. Generally speaking, if a publisher comes out a year after the initial release of a game and says something along the lines of "we had a great idea for additional adventure set in the existing world of the game and it'll be ready in 6 months", I don't have an issue with that. I still wouldn't buy it, but that sounds genuine and not that their entire strategy from the outset was to drip-feed content that was planned long in advance to milk players dry.

I don't want to give money to publishers that act in bad faith.

rinks wrote:If a band released an album, but had some unfinished songs that they released as singles later, is that dishonest? Shouldn’t they make sure the songs were all finished and included on the album?

I would prefer that they either delayed the album to include the finished versions, or held them back for the next album a few years later.

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PostRe: Immortals: Fenyx Rising | NSW/PS4/XBO/PC | 03.12.2020
by Somebody Else's Problem » Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:30 am

Drumstick wrote:I would prefer that they either delayed the album to include the finished versions


The risk of that approach is while finishing those songs, they come up with some more, thus delaying the album further. Then you end up with Chinese Democracy.

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PostRe: Immortals: Fenyx Rising | NSW/PS4/XBO/PC | 03.12.2020
by OrangeRKN » Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:12 am

Is it bad faith if everyone is aware of the DLC strategy?

It can worsen the experience of playing the game to have content cut out as DLC - that happened with Deus Ex for example, or Evolve. It can also worsen the experience to have DLC constantly being advertised or sold at you in game. The pricing of the base game and its DLC will change the value proposition, so that very clearly will affect purchase decisions.

I think it's only "bad faith" though if the expectations of the player as set by the game's marketing don't align with what you get from the game. If you buy it on the promise of content that has been cut to be sold as DLC for example. These upfront season passes that Ubisoft have settled into tend to be relatively self-contained expansions, while preorder bonuses and gold edition day 1 content tends to be superfluous to the experience (with the notable exception of XP boosters and their like in online games). The Fenyx Rising season pass doesn't appear to be in bad faith to me, much like the Assassin's Creed season pass, because it's clear upfront what you are and aren't buying. If that changes the value proposition enough for you to not buy the game, fair enough.

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by kerr9000 » Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:04 pm

I really really like the look of it, I asked my other half to grab it for me from that boss games on ebay as it worked out to be like £36 , and she wanted suggestions for me for Christmas.

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PostRe: Immortals: Fenyx Rising | NSW/PS4/XBO/PC | 03.12.2020
by OrangeRKN » Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:56 pm

I don't know why but it gives me Starlink vibes

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PostRe: Immortals: Fenyx Rising | NSW/PS4/XBO/PC | 03.12.2020
by ITSMILNER » Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:28 pm

Really liking the add on content they are bringing to the game, looks so good! I got the PS5 Gold Edition for £56 so that looks like a wealth of content for the price.

Can’t wait for this :wub:

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PostRe: Immortals: Fenyx Rising | NSW/PS4/XBO/PC | 03.12.2020
by Rex Kramer » Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:33 pm

It's chicken and egg, they can't sell you a Gold edition including season pass if there's no whiff of what that extra content consists of but then they can't offer DLC at launch as that gives the impression it could have been included in the base game. Maybe the better option is to hold off on DLC until a few months in and drop the gold editions.

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PostRe: Immortals: Fenyx Rising | NSW/PS4/XBO/PC | 03.12.2020
by Drumstick » Thu Nov 19, 2020 4:08 pm

OrangeRKN wrote:I think it's only "bad faith" though if the expectations of the player as set by the game's marketing don't align with what you get from the game. If you buy it on the promise of content that has been cut to be sold as DLC for example.

The Fenyx Rising season pass doesn't appear to be in bad faith to me, much like the Assassin's Creed season pass, because it's clear upfront what you are and aren't buying. If that changes the value proposition enough for you to not buy the game, fair enough.

I am not concerned about the "value proposition" - as far as I am concerned there is no reason that the "additional content" couldn't simply be assimilated into the version that ships at launch. But instead they've cut content out to then try and eek more money out of consumers. As a gamer my expectation is to not be treated like a cash cow, rip for milking.

"Hey, we delivered 25% of the game, now pay extra for the other three parts!"

Or not.

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