Inside North Korea

~Earl Grey~ wrote:For some reason the country is completely blank on Google Maps.

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&ie= ... 23&t=h&z=6

Which is odd, as obviously the basics are known - like where the main settlements are, their names, etc...

Pyongyang is marked, but only if you zoom in enough, and I found that Ryugyong Hotel, it's eerie to look at.

~Earl Grey~ wrote:For some reason the country is completely blank on Google Maps.

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&ie= ... 23&t=h&z=6

Which is odd, as obviously the basics are known - like where the main settlements are, their names, etc...

There was/is a private NK mapping project at http://www.nkeconwatch.com/north-korea- ... gle-earth/ which alows you to use google earth to see all the stuff you ould normally see in a normal country.

emilythestrange wrote:Pyongyang is marked, but only if you zoom in enough, and I found that Ryugyong Hotel, it's eerie to look at.

It's just this massive, ugly concrete shell.

Yeah I noticed that Pyongyang was marked if you went in close enough (but I had to use Google Images to find out where Pyongyang actually was first). I couldn't be arsed to find the hotel, though.

Balloon Sod wrote:

Documentary about people from all over the world who love North Korea, and see it as an alternative to capitalism.

Holy strawberry floating gooseberry fool.
I simply can not believe people can be this stupid. I can't bring myself to watching more than the first video.
There simply aren't enough of these to explain how I feel about the KFA.

Essentially by supporting North Korea, these cocks are helping to prolong the suffering of it's population.

Preezy wrote:

emilythestrange wrote:Pyongyang is marked, but only if you zoom in enough, and I found that Ryugyong Hotel, it's eerie to look at.

It's just this massive, ugly concrete shell.

Found what looks like an unfinished/disused baseball pitch nearby.



What a depressing place.

When I look at pictures of North Korea you can clearly see a Russian influence in the way it's built, that and even looking at that hotel it makes me think it's Chernobyl because there's like no signs of life anywhere.

What makes me laugh about that hotel, is who the strawberry float would stay there, they don't allow visitors and the korean population are too poor to afford to stay there.

EDIT: If you zoom in far enough, you can see all the buildings around Korea, are they all fake or are they actually the buildings?

StayDead wrote:When I look at pictures of North Korea you can clearly see a Russian influence in the way it's built, that and even looking at that hotel it makes me think it's Chernobyl because there's like no signs of life anywhere.

What makes me laugh about that hotel, is who the strawberry float would stay there, they don't allow visitors and the korean population are too poor to afford to stay there.

EDIT: If you zoom in far enough, you can see all the buildings around Korea, are they all fake or are they actually the buildings?

Isnt Chernobyl in Ukraine not Russia. I appreciate during height of soviet union it was all pretty much the same though.

North Korea is yet another country that fell foul of the cold war between US and USSR. Used as pawns and then deserted afterwards.

StayDead wrote:When I look at pictures of North Korea you can clearly see a Russian influence in the way it's built, that and even looking at that hotel it makes me think it's Chernobyl because there's like no signs of life anywhere.

What makes me laugh about that hotel, is who the **** would stay there, they don't allow visitors and the korean population are too poor to afford to stay there.

Part propaganda tool and I'd imagine high ranking officials based outside of Pyongyang stay there during visits.

They allow visitors, only thing is they have to be accompanied by a 'tour guide'

You get your room searched while you're out if you criticise the food while phoning home, all part of the experience

massimo wrote:

Balloon Sod wrote:

Documentary about people from all over the world who love North Korea, and see it as an alternative to capitalism.

Holy ******* gooseberry fool.
I simply can not believe people can be this stupid. I can't bring myself to watching more than the first video.
There simply aren't enough of these to explain how I feel about the KFA.

Essentially by supporting North Korea, these cocks are helping to prolong the suffering of it's population.

I watched all 8 parts of the documentary. The ending is very good. The main Spanish guy is a fat prick.

All this talk of communists reminded me of an interview I once saw with the co-founder of Greenpeace, and how he said that the worst thing that ever happened for them was the collapse of communism as that meant a very large number of people that were anti-establishment now had no where to go because all the communist sponsored organizations disbanded, and so they joined Greenpeace.

He mentioned at one point that they wanted to pressure the government and industries to ban chlorine, to which his response was "Uh... it's an element on the periodic table though, I don't think we can actually get rid of it."

That was absolutely fascinating.

The most depressing thing about these videos, aside from the hideous content of them of course, is that most of these youtube videos are a few years old now, and yet the situation is still the same. Nothing has changed, the international community has continued to ignore/make light of the problem. There really isn't much hope of anything changing any time soon either, poor strawberry floaters

The newsnight one was on this week.

Preezy wrote:The most depressing thing about these videos, aside from the hideous content of them of course, is that most of these youtube videos are a few years old now, and yet the situation is still the same. Nothing has changed, the international community has continued to ignore/make light of the problem. There really isn't much hope of anything changing any time soon either, poor strawberry floaters

What can we do though? We can't go to war with them, they have a well equipped and well trained million man army. Our own army is little over 100k regular troops and the US is about a half a mil. We'd need such a huge coalition in order to actually defeat the North Korean army, and this is talking about it in terms of cold wins and losses. What Western government could justify sending so many people to their deaths? Because that's what would happen, it's not like Iraq, Afghanistan or the Falklands where we can out number and outgun these guys, there would be hundreds of thousands of deaths on both sides before Korea folded.

I haven't even mentioned the nukes!!

We have nothing to threaten them with, we can't cut off trade or lock down their borders as they do that themselves anyway. There's literally nothing we can do to them except ask them to stop being such nut-jobs.

The only thing I can think of is to get spies in there and overthrow the government, but I imagine that's a lot more difficult than we can even comprehend.

Shadow wrote:

Preezy wrote:The most depressing thing about these videos, aside from the hideous content of them of course, is that most of these youtube videos are a few years old now, and yet the situation is still the same. Nothing has changed, the international community has continued to ignore/make light of the problem. There really isn't much hope of anything changing any time soon either, poor strawberry floaters

What can we do though? We can't go to war with them, they have a well equipped and well trained million man army. Our own army is little over 100k regular troops and the US is about a half a mil. We'd need such a huge coalition in order to actually defeat the North Korean army, and this is talking about it in terms of cold wins and losses. What Western government could justify sending so many people to their deaths? Because that's what would happen, it's not like Iraq, Afghanistan or the Falklands where we can out number and outgun these guys, there would be hundreds of thousands of deaths on both sides before Korea folded.

I haven't even mentioned the nukes!!

We have nothing to threaten them with, we can't cut off trade or lock down their borders as they do that themselves anyway. There's literally nothing we can do to them except ask them to stop being such nut-jobs.

The only thing I can think of is to get spies in there and overthrow the government, but I imagine that's a lot more difficult than we can even comprehend.

Also, there's the thing of if they're found out, Korea will declare war on the South for just being there, or fire their nukes everywhere.

FUBAR

If only Superman was real, he'd sort it out.

Shadow wrote:
What can we do though? We can't go to war with them, they have a well equipped and well trained million man army.

I haven't even mentioned the nukes!!

Actually although the army is large in size, it's not very well equipped, and it certainly isn't well motivated. Give any member of that army even a sliver of a chance to escape and all but the highest ranking would fold.

As far as the nuke goes, I remember reading in a book that to create the explosion which let the world know they had nukes, they used about 50% of all the uranium in the country. The greatest threat from them would probably be Kim Jong Il having the nuke placed in his own bunker and detonating it if he was on the verge of defeat.

The real reason that no one can just go in there and finish them off is because they are allies of China.