Is it homophobic to sing along to "you cheap lousy ******" when listening to Fairytale of New York?

Rudolphin wrote:

A Beautiful Kezmas Tree wrote:please stop using the word kek

(I wanted to say this too but, again, it's very me. kek is a strawberry floating alt-right marker so yeah. Stop it.)

Thank you for saying this. It's been winding me up for weeks

Rudolphin wrote:Goddamit. In my defence I was making eggs.

That video is so strawberry floating good though.

EDIT: Just caught Mommy's response to my earlier post. I assume he's not watching the Watchmen show as he's now literally quoting that series' white supremacist group.

You a chicken? Only chickens be making eggs*.

*And other egg making animals. Including mammals but they are different eggs, obvs. Though I beleiev the duckbilled platypus lays eggs and is a mammal. Therefore Taf is a duckbilled platypus.

Jezo ho ho wrote:(and can still be heard being said in countless media meant for comedy). offensive slur are out in force.

I can't remember the last time I saw a comedy where some white guy is saying the N-wrod for the lols. Yes black people, but, not white.

Partridge Iciclebubbles wrote:While she was there, the boss (a white guy) came in and asked how they were getting on. My mother-in-law was angry he had interrupted them with a stupid question

Bloody bosses, coming over here, checking in on their employees .

Rudolphin wrote:kek is an alt-right marker

I'm sorry, what?

Right, I'm gonna make one final post on this because I feel like I haven't been clear. I apologise if anyone has been offended thus far by my posts, and if anyone is offended by this post. I apologise for any confusion in my lack of clarity. It is never my intention to offend or upset anyone, let alone anyone here. I don't condone racism, and am very much an advocate for equality. I will never understand what it's like to be called that word as a racial slur. I don't care if I personally am 'allowed' or 'disallowed' to use the word from a social perspective. There are thousands of other words I can use, I can live without using this one lol.

The point I was trying to make is this. A word is a racial slur, in which it is used to divide races in a negative, inequal way. I find it ironic that some people then think it makes sense for the racial slur to then only be 'allowed' socially to be used by specific races. Does this not still represent an inequal divide in races and therefore still hold the same negative message through its use? I was merely trying to invoke thought on the subject. Not so much on the use of the word, but how people currently view and handle it as a racial slur.

Pedz wrote:

Jezo ho ho wrote:(and can still be heard being said in countless media meant for comedy). offensive slur are out in force.

I can't remember the last time I saw a comedy where some white guy is saying the N-wrod for the lols. Yes black people, but, not white.

Rex Kramer - Danger seeker

DISCLAIMER: The above reference is not meant to say that using the word in this way is funny, unfunny, right, or wrong. I am merely giving an example of how it has once been used in the media for comedic purposes, and in an actual racially-sensitive context.


Once again, I apologise if anything I've said as offended or caused discomfort for anyone here. The last thing I want to do is make anyone uncomfortable simply by being present. If this is the case, please let me know and I will leave.

I think they played the song this morning on ClassicFM with the lyrics removed...though I can't be sure as I was too far away. But still, run with it.

Jezo ho ho wrote:

Rudolphin wrote:kek is an alt-right marker

I'm sorry, what?

Kek
"Esoteric Kekism", or the Cult of Kek, is a term for the parody religion of worshipping Pepe the Frog, which sprang from the similarity of the slang term for laughter, "kek", and the name of the ancient Egyptian frog god of darkness, Kek. This deity, in turn, was associated with Pepe the Frog on internet forums. The internet meme has its origin on the internet message forum 4ch*n and other chans, and the board /pol/ in particular. Kek references are closely associated with Trump and the alt-right.

"Kek" originated as a variation of "lel", itself a variation of "lol", and seems to come from the video game World of Warcraft,[83] or alternatively a Korean onomatopoeia for laughter written as "kekeke". The phrase then became associated with the Egyptian deity of the same name. "Esoteric Kekism" references the "Esoteric Hitlerism" of writer Savitri Devi.

Online message boards such as 4ch*n first noted a similarity between Kek and Pepe. The phrase is widely used[69] and 4ch*n users see Kek as the "'god' of memes".

Kekistan

Kekistan is a fictional country created by 4ch*n members that has become a political meme and online movement.[55] The name is a portmanteau of "kek" and the suffix "-stan", a common Central Asian country suffix. Kekistanis identify themselves as "shitposters" persecuted by excessive political correctness. Self-identified Kekistanis have created a fictional history around the meme, including the invasion and overthrow of other fictional countries such as "Normistan" and "Cuckistan".[56][92] Kekistanis have also adopted Internet personality Gordon Hurd (in his "Big Man Tyrone" persona) as their president and the 1986 Italo disco record "Shadilay" (originally performed by a group named P.E.P.E., an apparent pun on the similarity between the band's name and Pepe the Frog's) as a national anthem. The record gained attention from the group in September 2016 because of the name of the group (P.E.P.E) and art on the record depicting a frog holding a magic wand.

Heat Street's Ian Miles Cheong credits Carl Benjamin, who uses the pseudonym Sargon of Akkad on YouTube, for popularizing the meme.[91] Benjamin claimed that Kekistanis could technically classify as an ethnic group for the British census, and contacted the Office for National Statistics to request that it be added,[93] but was unsuccessful.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepe_the_Frog#Kek

Jezo ho ho wrote:
The point I was trying to make is this. A word is a racial slur, in which it is used to divide races in a negative, inequal way. I find it ironic that some people then think it makes sense for the racial slur to then only be 'allowed' socially to be used by specific races. Does this not still represent an inequal divide in races and therefore still hold the same negative message through its use? I was merely trying to invoke thought on the subject. Not so much on the use of the word, but how people currently view and handle it as a racial slur.

I think the problem here is that you're assuming all races involved have an equal power dynamic and relationship with the word. They do not.

The n word was used and created by white people to denote people of african descent as inferior. Actually inferior, genetically, culturally and societarily. It was used for hundreds of years in the slave trade. Recently, parts of black community has tried to re-appropriate the word through song, comedy and general usage. To someone who is black, using the word involves a sense of irony, the reclaiming of a derogative term into a exclaimation or marker of intimacy.

White people, as the progenitors of the offensive version of the word cannot take part in this somewhat ironic reclamation because, well that's the point. The reclamation is just that: a claiming of the word for another group. This is similar to "queer" being used not as a pejorative as it was originally coined but as a descriptor.

All cultures are different. The ideal state is racial equality, not racial equity. Black culture is different from white culture is different from Asian culture. Not everything has to be or should be accessible to everyone.

Jezo ho ho wrote:

Rudolphin wrote:kek is an alt-right marker

I'm sorry, what?

Right, I'm gonna make one final post on this because I feel like I haven't been clear. I apologise if anyone has been offended thus far by my posts, and if anyone is offended by this post. I apologise for any confusion in my lack of clarity. It is never my intention to offend or upset anyone, let alone anyone here. I don't condone racism, and am very much an advocate for equality. I will never understand what it's like to be called that word as a racial slur. I don't care if I personally am 'allowed' or 'disallowed' to use the word from a social perspective. There are thousands of other words I can use, I can live without using this one lol.

The point I was trying to make is this. A word is a racial slur, in which it is used to divide races in a negative, inequal way. I find it ironic that some people then think it makes sense for the racial slur to then only be 'allowed' socially to be used by specific races. Does this not still represent an inequal divide in races and therefore still hold the same negative message through its use? I was merely trying to invoke thought on the subject. Not so much on the use of the word, but how people currently view and handle it as a racial slur.

Pedz wrote:

Jezo ho ho wrote:(and can still be heard being said in countless media meant for comedy). offensive slur are out in force.

I can't remember the last time I saw a comedy where some white guy is saying the N-wrod for the lols. Yes black people, but, not white.

Rex Kramer - Danger seeker

DISCLAIMER: The above reference is not meant to say that using the word in this way is funny, unfunny, right, or wrong. I am merely giving an example of how it has once been used in the media for comedic purposes, and in an actual racially-sensitive context.


Once again, I apologise if anything I've said as offended or caused discomfort for anyone here. The last thing I want to do is make anyone uncomfortable simply by being present. If this is the case, please let me know and I will leave.

I have no idea what Rex Kramer - Danger seeker is, but, I looked on google and saw a video on youtube titled that from over 10 years ago.

TBF, I saw people saying KEK is WoW way before Pepe was a thing (A racist thing). I'm talking about 8 or so years ago.

Rudolphin wrote:

Jezo ho ho wrote:

Rudolphin wrote:kek is an alt-right marker

I'm sorry, what?

Kek
"Esoteric Kekism", or the Cult of Kek, is a term for the parody religion of worshipping Pepe the Frog, which sprang from the similarity of the slang term for laughter, "kek", and the name of the ancient Egyptian frog god of darkness, Kek. This deity, in turn, was associated with Pepe the Frog on internet forums. The internet meme has its origin on the internet message forum 4ch*n and other chans, and the board /pol/ in particular. Kek references are closely associated with Trump and the alt-right.

"Kek" originated as a variation of "lel", itself a variation of "lol", and seems to come from the video game World of Warcraft,[83] or alternatively a Korean onomatopoeia for laughter written as "kekeke". The phrase then became associated with the Egyptian deity of the same name. "Esoteric Kekism" references the "Esoteric Hitlerism" of writer Savitri Devi.

Online message boards such as 4ch*n first noted a similarity between Kek and Pepe. The phrase is widely used[69] and 4ch*n users see Kek as the "'god' of memes".

Kekistan

Kekistan is a fictional country created by 4ch*n members that has become a political meme and online movement.[55] The name is a portmanteau of "kek" and the suffix "-stan", a common Central Asian country suffix. Kekistanis identify themselves as "shitposters" persecuted by excessive political correctness. Self-identified Kekistanis have created a fictional history around the meme, including the invasion and overthrow of other fictional countries such as "Normistan" and "Cuckistan".[56][92] Kekistanis have also adopted Internet personality Gordon Hurd (in his "Big Man Tyrone" persona) as their president and the 1986 Italo disco record "Shadilay" (originally performed by a group named P.E.P.E., an apparent pun on the similarity between the band's name and Pepe the Frog's) as a national anthem. The record gained attention from the group in September 2016 because of the name of the group (P.E.P.E) and art on the record depicting a frog holding a magic wand.

Heat Street's Ian Miles Cheong credits Carl Benjamin, who uses the pseudonym Sargon of Akkad on YouTube, for popularizing the meme.[91] Benjamin claimed that Kekistanis could technically classify as an ethnic group for the British census, and contacted the Office for National Statistics to request that it be added,[93] but was unsuccessful.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepe_the_Frog#Kek

Wow, reaching. I don't understand how these 2 bold sentences are even remotely related.

I guess when it comes down to it, words are just strawberry floating dumb lol

Jezo ho ho wrote:

Rudolphin wrote:kek is an alt-right marker

I'm sorry, what?

It started off as a World of Warcraft reference and became a kind of gamer / imageboard meme, right? Like other gamer / imageboard memes (see Pepe the frog), it's been most vociferously used by neo-Nazis in recent memory. For instance, they created an "ironic" (not ironic) ethnonationalist movement for the fictional nation of Kekistan, whose made-up national culture mimics that of Nazi Germany.

I am actually perfectly happy to ignore it because I'm sure you're using it in the original context and are probably just unaware of its recent usage, but what's happened is that because those people have loudly used the meme, people now associate it with them, right? So while no-one thinks you are a neo-Nazi, people who've seen that happening are going to be reminded of horrible neo-Nazis when you say "kek".

No-one is censoring you but I think that's where they're coming from when they say the word annoys them.

Jezo ho ho wrote:Right, I'm gonna make one final post on this because I feel like I haven't been clear. I apologise if anyone has been offended thus far by my posts, and if anyone is offended by this post. I apologise for any confusion in my lack of clarity. It is never my intention to offend or upset anyone, let alone anyone here. I don't condone racism, and am very much an advocate for equality. I will never understand what it's like to be called that word as a racial slur. I don't care if I personally am 'allowed' or 'disallowed' to use the word from a social perspective. There are thousands of other words I can use, I can live without using this one lol.

The point I was trying to make is this. A word is a racial slur, in which it is used to divide races in a negative, inequal way. I find it ironic that some people then think it makes sense for the racial slur to then only be 'allowed' socially to be used by specific races. Does this not still represent an inequal divide in races and therefore still hold the same negative message through its use? I was merely trying to invoke thought on the subject. Not so much on the use of the word, but how people currently view and handle it as a racial slur.

[...]

Once again, I apologise if anything I've said as offended or caused discomfort for anyone here. The last thing I want to do is make anyone uncomfortable simply by being present. If this is the case, please let me know and I will leave.

I don't think you've been accused of being a racist mate. There's no need to overreact. I think maybe because you alluded to using the word "light-heartedly" before, that meant you were accused of having a bit of an ignorant view about it, but I don't feel like anyone is out to insult you or drive you off, people have just been trying to explain to you why they hold their point of view on the word.

If you're specifically interested in the mechanics of a group of people re-appropriating an insult aimed at them, sometimes ultimately "reclaiming" the word, I think it happens for a lot of reasons. I think it can be an act of defiance against the people who made that insult up, or it can be a dark in-joke that builds solidarity in that group, or in a weird way publicly overcoming the insult can actually be an expression of pride in your identity. Over time it might become quite common slang in that community.

That shared understanding within the community makes usage of a slur very different contextually to a person outside the community using it, where it will have the contextual character of a cruel insult even if that isn't the intent of the individual using it.

The word "queer" followed that process and was basically rehabilitated: while it was originally an insult, it ended up being reclaimed, was one of the words put into the LGBTQ acronym, and straight people can now say "queer" in that context without it seeming like a slur. But "queer" was never the worst insult that homophobes threw around. The n-word by contrast is unlikely to ever be robbed of its power simply because it is so brutal, so for that reason it's very likely to remain a word that black people might use for a variety of reasons, but that shouldn't really pass beyond that and be used by people who aren't black.

For what it's worth I really don't think you are being, like, grilled in this thread. You posted something a bit controversial and people are replying, that's all. We're not going to #cancel you, we're just talking to you. I can't force you, obviously, but you should talk to us and this have this discussion, it's an important issue.

I didn't know KEK was seen as a racist thing until TAF mentioned it in here, tbh. I've said KEK myself, again. WoW. Pretty sure KEK was what Alliance people would see when Horde would laugh.

I think kek itself is quite an unpleasant word to actually say, doesn't sound right coming out of the mouth.

Pedz wrote:I didn't know KEK was seen as a racist thing until TAF mentioned it in here, tbh. I've said KEK myself, again. WoW. Pretty sure KEK was what Alliance people would see when Horde would laugh.

It's sort of the same/opposite of what happened with the n word. Where as that was an offensive term reclaimed by the persecuted group, kek was a neutral terms that's been reappropriated as something offensive by those looking to persecute.

Yeah, banana splits need to stop taking things that have no actual meaning and making others not be able to use them for fear of looking like a banana split. Look at poor Pepe. Loads use it because they have used it, for emotes and everything on Twitch, but now some worry about it because banana splits have decided to use it in a malicious way. strawberry float off.

Rudolphin wrote:

Pedz wrote:I didn't know KEK was seen as a racist thing until TAF mentioned it in here, tbh. I've said KEK myself, again. WoW. Pretty sure KEK was what Alliance people would see when Horde would laugh.

It's sort of the same/opposite of what happened with the n word. Where as that was an offensive term reclaimed by the persecuted group, kek was a neutral terms that's been reappropriated as something offensive by those looking to persecute.

Pedz wrote:Yeah, banana splits need to stop taking things that have no actual meaning and making others not be able to use them for fear of looking like a banana split. Look at poor Pepe. Loads use it because they have used it, for emotes and everything on Twitch, but now some worry about it because banana splits have decided to use it in a malicious way. strawberry float off.

/thread

Good chat guys, very informative, feel I've learnt a thing or two.

So what does kek mean? I know it's linked to the pepe meme but I don't actually know the meaning of it. I always thought it was used similar to LOLs? E.G "I did it for the lols/keks"

Also, in LBGTQ, what is the difference between being LGB or Q?

Genuinely asking, it's not something I have ever fully understood.

Rudolphin wrote:

Pedz wrote:I didn't know KEK was seen as a racist thing until TAF mentioned it in here, tbh. I've said KEK myself, again. WoW. Pretty sure KEK was what Alliance people would see when Horde would laugh.

It's sort of the same/opposite of what happened with the n word. Where as that was an offensive term reclaimed by the persecuted group, kek was a neutral terms that's been reappropriated as something offensive by those looking to persecute.

But also go ‘nooooooo I didn’t mean it that way’

See also ‘ok’ as a symbol of white nationalism

captain red dog wrote:Also, in LBGTQ, what is the difference between being LGB or Q?

Genuinely asking, it's not something I have ever fully understood.

Queer is an umbrella term that encompasses all non-cis and/or non-het identities. A fair few people don't really like reeling off their labels, particularly in front of straight people who might not understand what the words mean - like to give a possible example it can feel awkward for some people to say e.g. "I'm asexual and biromantic, and transfem nonbinary" and invite a lot of questions about themself and what those terms are - so it might be easier for them to just say "I'm queer". Others don't feel a particular label fully describes their sexual or gender identity, or they may have a fluid identity. Some just prefer it, sometimes because of its connotations within the community: while it's not true of everyone who uses the word, "queer" does carry some political connotations that "LGBT+" or just e.g. "gay" doesn't, because the people who first reclaimed it tended to be more politically radical.