Is it homophobic to sing along to "you cheap lousy ******" when listening to Fairytale of New York?

Cuđđoolph wrote:

A Beautiful Kezmas Tree wrote:"Its a word in a song, thst rhymes with maggot. Look no deeper than that."

by that logic it could have been carrot

Or Taggart.

I like ‘braggart’ the best.

Mommy Christmas wrote:

Blue Baubles wrote:

Mommy Christmas wrote:Get over it.

Get over what?

Not you in particular. This debate gets wheeled out every year. Its a word in a song, thst rhymes with maggot. Look no deeper than that.


https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/12/07/f ... -macgowan/

Shane MacGowan says there that there was no offence meant.
The song was written in simpler times where people didnt take offence at every opportunity and feel marginalised because of how they interpreted something.

Man alive this explains a shitton about your horrible views.

abcd wrote:When I was young, I thought a f***** was a type of meat product so I never knew it was offensive.

It is that....too. (They are...not good)

A Beautiful Kezmas Tree wrote:

Cheeky Devlin wrote:I'm happy to just not sing that word.

Same with Money For Nothing, which uses it a few times. Actually saw Mark Knopfler in Glasgow a few months back and he changed the word when they played it. I can't remember what he changed it to, but it definitely stood out for not being the usual lyric.

Jammy bastard, I had tickets to go but had to work abroad.

Good on him for changing the lyrics

It was excellent.

My brother in law had a spare ticket so asked me if I wanted to go. Damn right I did.

Heard just about everything I wanted him to play as well.

Though a guy on the train home was mortally offended that he didn't play "Sultans of Swing".

Hexx wrote:

abcd wrote:When I was young, I thought a f***** was a type of meat product so I never knew it was offensive.

It is that....too. (They are...not good)

Brains ******* are a bit gooseberry fool yeah obviously. Any supermarket bought stuff is never going to be the best example.

But if you go to a quality butcher who has sourced top end, pristine cuts and prepared the ******* expertly with the finest herbs and breadcrumbs then ... nah it's still a bit shite!

Hexx wrote:

abcd wrote:When I was young, I thought a f***** was a type of meat product so I never knew it was offensive.

It is that....too. (They are...not good)

I think it's pork ears? Maybe I'm remembering it wrong though.

Also it used to mean stack of wood sticks, which also links to homophobia in history assuming I remember right

In the context of the song, it’s a woman absolutely pissed off with her deadbeat partner/husband and in the midst of an argument she calls him a name.

So the question is whether it is ok to call somebody a “******” when you are angry with them.

The answer of course is no, it’s not acceptable to shout racist/homophobic/sexist slurs at somebody, no matter how much they piss you off.

So is it homophobic to sing along to that part of the song? Yes.

And it is not really very similar to “*****” in rap songs. As far as I am aware Kirsty MacColl wasn’t a gay man.

Seven Candles wrote:

Hexx wrote:

abcd wrote:When I was young, I thought a f***** was a type of meat product so I never knew it was offensive.

It is that....too. (They are...not good)

I think it's pork ears? Maybe I'm remembering it wrong though.

Also it used to mean stack of wood sticks, which also links to homophobia in history assuming I remember right

They are generally heavy on pork but other meat will often feature to. It's not just ears but all kinds of off cuts and parts that are often harder to sell individually (heart, liver, fatty areas etc.)

Sing it loud. It comes from a simpler time when fairies knew their place and had the decency to die of AIDS without making a big fuss about it.

Jenu-All I Want For Christmas wrote:They are generally heavy on pork but other meat will often feature to. It's not just ears but all kinds of off cuts and parts that are often harder to sell individually (heart, liver, fatty areas etc.)

Ahh right,thanks for clearing that up!

Seven Candles wrote:

Jenu-All I Want For Christmas wrote:They are generally heavy on pork but other meat will often feature to. It's not just ears but all kinds of off cuts and parts that are often harder to sell individually (heart, liver, fatty areas etc.)

Ahh right,thanks for clearing that up!

Important not to let the ingredients of our disgusting traditional dishes fall into obscurity!

If there's one thing Jenny knows, it's how best to put the meat in a ******.

Starjo wrote:Sing it loud. It comes from a simpler time when fairies knew their place and had the decency to die of AIDS without making a big fuss about it.

Yes and anyone who disagrees is just misinterpreting how offensive the word is apparently.

Hexx wrote:If there's one thing Jenny knows, it's how best to put the meat in a ******.

Well I don't like to see my meat going to waste.

Partridge Iciclebubbles wrote:As far as I am aware Kirsty MacColl wasn’t a gay man.

She was gooseberry fool at cruising.

Partridge Iciclebubbles wrote:In the context of the song, it’s a woman absolutely pissed off with her deadbeat partner/husband and in the midst of an argument she calls him a name.

So the question is whether it is ok to call somebody a “******” when you are angry with them.

The answer of course is no, it’s not acceptable to shout racist/homophobic/sexist slurs at somebody, no matter how much they piss you off.

So is it homophobic to sing along to that part of the song? Yes.

And it is not really very similar to “*****” in rap songs. As far as I am aware Kirsty MacColl wasn’t a gay man.

But would you say anyone singing along to it is a homophobe, as the man I referred to in the OP did?

I thought it was decided last year that the correct lyrics are now "You scumbag, you maggot, you've taped over Taggart"

if it wasn't designed to cause offence then they could have used any word other than Maggot to rhyme with

You scumbag, you smeghead
You cheap lousy bellend

OrangeXMS wrote:I thought it was decided last year that the correct lyrics are now "You scumbag, you maggot, you've taped over Taggart"

A Beautiful Kezmas Tree wrote:if it wasn't designed to cause offence then they could have used any word other than Maggot to rhyme with

You scumbag, you smeghead
You cheap lousy bellend

But then scumbags, smegheads and bellends would be upset.