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Is solitaire a roguelike?
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2023 2:25 am
by OrangeRKN
aka the card game known as klondike/patience
Roguelikes are typified by:
- procedural generation (randomly shuffling the deck)
- permadeath run-based gameplay (starting a new game when you lose)
- progression through improving player knowledge and skill (learning the best moves)
Solitaire is a roguelike, right?
Re: Is solitaire a roguelike?
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2023 6:36 am
by Poser
Off topic ish, but have you ever read into 52 factorial/52! ?
It's the number of ways a deck of cards can be shuffled. 52x51x50... and so on. It is an almost inexpressibly large number. There is a description on link below of how huge a number it is, but by all laws of probability, every time you shuffle a deck of cards, you are creating a sequence that has never been created before.
More here:
https://czep.net/weblog/52cards.htmlAnd yeah, Solitaire probably is a roguelike by those definitions. I've been playing a lot of it recently.
Re: Is solitaire a roguelike?
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2023 6:37 am
by Preezy
Sure, just like Minesweeper and Mahjongg.
Re: Is solitaire a roguelike?
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2023 6:40 am
by Moggy
It's actually a rougelike.
Re: Is solitaire a roguelike?
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2023 7:36 am
by more heat than light
This is nearly as bad as when Charlie Brooker tried to tell everyone that Twitter was a videogame.
Re: Is solitaire a roguelike?
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2023 7:37 am
by Dowbocop
If we're being truly pedantic we should probably call Rogue a Solitaire-like...
Re: Is solitaire a roguelike?
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2023 2:08 pm
by Cumberdanes
Poser wrote:Off topic ish, but have you ever read into 52 factorial/52! ?
It's the number of ways a deck of cards can be shuffled. 52x51x50... and so on. It is an almost inexpressibly large number. There is a description on link below of how huge a number it is, but by all laws of probability, every time you shuffle a deck of cards, you are creating a sequence that has never been created before.
More here:
https://czep.net/weblog/52cards.htmlAnd yeah, Solitaire probably is a roguelike by those definitions. I've been playing a lot of it recently.
I think Stephen Fry said something about this on QI.
Re: Is solitaire a roguelike?
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2023 2:59 pm
by OrangeRKN
Poser wrote:Off topic ish, but have you ever read into 52 factorial/52! ?
It's the number of ways a deck of cards can be shuffled. 52x51x50... and so on. It is an almost inexpressibly large number. There is a description on link below of how huge a number it is, but by all laws of probability, every time you shuffle a deck of cards, you are creating a sequence that has never been created before.
Yes this is a fun stat! Of course it relies on the shuffling truly randomising the deck which in real life it doesn't. Starting from a sorted deck and depending on how you shuffle I suspect the likelihood of it being in a unique sequence is significantly less certain. Although I haven't crunched the numbers!
Re: Is solitaire a roguelike?
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2023 3:19 pm
by Tomous
No, it's a fps where the enemies are a cards and going only be taken out by shooting them with the card above them in the sequence, at which point your bullet becomes a new enemy and the cycle repeats
Re: Is solitaire a roguelike?
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2023 4:04 pm
by Moggy
Tomous wrote:No, it's a fps where the enemies are a cards and going only be taken out by shooting them with the card above them in the sequence, at which point your bullet becomes a new enemy and the cycle repeats
Like a JRPG but with cards made out of guns?
Re: Is solitaire a roguelike?
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2023 4:06 pm
by Cuttooth
Tomous wrote:No, it's a fps where the enemies are a cards and going only be taken out by shooting them with the card above them in the sequence, at which point your bullet becomes a new enemy and the cycle repeats
Can I interest you in the card game Regicide?
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/307002/regicide
Re: Is solitaire a roguelike?
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2023 4:09 pm
by aayl1
What Perks do everyone spend their solitaire upgrade points on? I like the one that lets me do cool one handed shuffles.
Re: Is solitaire a roguelike?
Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2023 12:51 pm
by Roonmastor
Sorry, I only play in multiplayer, where I think the comparison doesn't really work.
Re: Is solitaire a roguelike?
Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2023 2:09 pm
by Moggy
Roonmastor wrote:Sorry, I only play in multiplayer, where I think the comparison doesn't really work.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_Klondike
Re: Is solitaire a roguelike?
Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2023 1:14 pm
by Roonmastor
Try Ligretto, it's up to 12 player (would probably only recommend up to 6 as it starts to get too big)
Once you add in competitive play, the cards are part game mechanics and part RNG. And part stressing out because I need to play this card and you just beat me to it!
Re: Is solitaire a roguelike?
Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2023 2:32 pm
by Cumberdanes
Is Carol Danvers a Rogue like?
Re: Is solitaire a roguelike?
Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2023 3:43 pm
by rinks
Behringer is a Mooglike.
Re: Is solitaire a roguelike?
Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2023 4:09 pm
by Octoroc
rinks wrote:Behringer is a Mooglike.
Full marks for the correct pronunciation of Moog.
Not to be confused with The Moog.
Re: Is solitaire a roguelike?
Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2023 5:37 pm
by SEP
Poser wrote:Off topic ish, but have you ever read into 52 factorial/52! ?
Isn't that just 1?
Re: Is solitaire a roguelike?
Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2023 8:35 pm
by Van Foster
rinks wrote:Behringer is a Mooglike.
Your fine wordplay aside, as someone who used to work for him, Uli Behringer could, though for somewhat different reasons than those specified in the OP, be described quite reasonably as roguelike.