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Re: Islamic Centre burned to the ground by EDL

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 3:20 pm
by Skarjo
:lol:

I love this place.

Three pages into a thread about about a terrorist attack on a mosque and the consensus appears to be that muslims did it.

Re: Islamic Centre burned to the ground by EDL

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 3:23 pm
by Moggy
Cal wrote:
Something Fishy wrote:
Moggy wrote:Skarjo is right. If the murderers of Lee Rigby had not been Muslim, that attack would not have been described as terrorism but simply the murder that it was. If running somebody over and then stabbing them is terrorism (due to it being religiously or politically motivated) then burning down a Mosque is also an act of terror.


It definitely is, motivated by religious intolerance and hatred. Sad.


Hold on - how do we know it wasn't just an insurance scam? :shifty:


Is that a serious question?

Re: Islamic Centre burned to the ground by EDL

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 3:23 pm
by Drunken_Master
Fatal Exception wrote:
Alvin Flummux wrote:
Cal wrote:
Alvin Flummux wrote:
Cal wrote:
Something Fishy wrote:
Moggy wrote:Skarjo is right. If the murderers of Lee Rigby had not been Muslim, that attack would not have been described as terrorism but simply the murder that it was. If running somebody over and then stabbing them is terrorism (due to it being religiously or politically motivated) then burning down a Mosque is also an act of terror.


It definitely is, motivated by religious intolerance and hatred. Sad.


Hold on - how do we know it wasn't just an insurance scam? :shifty:


How any white-owned buildings burning down do we call out as insurance scams?


No idea, but surely the point is to wait until the cause of the fire is determined before declaring it a racist attack?


We should also wait until the cause has been determined before calling it an insurance scam, or anything else for that matter.


It will be impossible to prove. Even if it was an 'arson attack', it could be self inflicted for those very reasons. It's a good day to be a minority wanting to scam insurance companies.



:lol:

Re: Islamic Centre burned to the ground by EDL

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 3:24 pm
by Cal
Moggy wrote:
Cal wrote:Hold on - how do we know it wasn't just an insurance scam? :shifty:


Is that a serious question?


Actually it is. I see nothing remarkable or contentious in such a question. Do you?

'Correlation is not causation'

Re: Islamic Centre burned to the ground by EDL

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 3:36 pm
by Moggy
Cal wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Cal wrote:Hold on - how do we know it wasn't just an insurance scam? :shifty:


Is that a serious question?


Actually it is. I see nothing remarkable or contentious in such a question. Do you?

'Correlation is not causation'


What is more likely? Some EDL supporting (not necessarily members) morons burnt down the mosque or the Muslim decided to pull of an insurance scam and decided to plant EDL graffiti to deflect suspicion.

I am not saying that it is impossible, of course it could have been the Muslims, but it is pretty unlikely. I didn’t see you posting that the “ISLAM” graffiti on the war memorial could have been EDL people or anything like that. You are letting your prejudices cloud your judgement here as I doubt you honestly believe we should consider all fires insurance scams by the buildings owner.

Re: Islamic Centre burned to the ground by EDL

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 3:45 pm
by Slartibartfast
I'm going to go with it being EDL scum. And those suggesting it was some sort of 'false flag' attack need to have a word with themselves.

Re: Islamic Centre burned to the ground by EDL

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 3:49 pm
by Irene Demova
Skarjo wrote::lol:

I love this place.

Three pages into a thread about about a terrorist attack on a mosque and the consensus appears to be that muslims did it.

You know what they're like

Re: Islamic Centre burned to the ground by EDL

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 3:50 pm
by Lotus
Guy on The Guardian sums it up well:

The burning down of the al-Rahma Islamic Centre in Muswell Hill is a devastating blow for the local community. But the ripple effects of this are being felt around our country, especially among Muslims. A centre serving as a mosque, meeting place and school for young children has been destroyed. But for the grace of God, this fire could have been during the early morning Fajr congregation prayers. The fear now is that it might be repeated elsewhere. While we all hope the centre will rise like a phoenix from the flames in double-quick time, we can't dismiss the fear that many of our fellow citizens feel.

There are credible suggestions that this was arson, with police treating the fire as suspicious and some concluding it is an act of Islamophobia. My advice is that we must all retain cool heads, and not respond rashly. Our emergency services are doing a sterling job, and what the police need is time to piece together what has happened. I urge all with information to come forward and help the authorities to establish the cause of this fire.

No proof yet - and a bit of graffiti isn't proof - but it does seem likely to be some kind of anti-Islam thing, although not necessarily by the EDL. People love to talk though, and until the facts come out we won't know for sure.

Re: Islamic Centre burned to the ground by EDL

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 3:53 pm
by Fatal Exception
Imagine if it turned out to be terrorist bomb making equipment blowing up accidentally

Re: Islamic Centre burned to the ground by EDL

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 3:55 pm
by Moggy
It was the Illuminati planning the New World Order. David Icke told me about it in a dream I had while aliens had kidnapped and drugged me.

Re: Islamic Centre burned to the ground by EDL

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 4:10 pm
by Drunken_Master
Moggy wrote:It was the Illuminati planning the New World Order. David Icke told me about it in a dream I had while aliens had kidnapped and drugged me.


It was;


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Re: Islamic Centre burned to the ground by EDL

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 4:11 pm
by Skarjo
Drunken_Master wrote:
Moggy wrote:It was the Illuminati planning the New World Order. David Icke told me about it in a dream I had while aliens had kidnapped and drugged me.


It was;


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Oh, maybe it was for money then.

Re: Islamic Centre burned to the ground by EDL

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 4:15 pm
by Moggy
Skarjo wrote:
Drunken_Master wrote:
Moggy wrote:It was the Illuminati planning the New World Order. David Icke told me about it in a dream I had while aliens had kidnapped and drugged me.


It was;


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Oh, maybe it was for money then.


I forgot about the Jews. And it is always the Jews fault, just ask Mel Gibson.

Re: Islamic Centre burned to the ground by EDL

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 4:18 pm
by Skarjo
strawberry floatin' Jews, coming in here, burning our mosques, collecting our insurance money, taking our women...

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Re: Islamic Centre burned to the ground by EDL

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 4:31 pm
by SEP
Jews! I knew it was them! Even when it was the EDL, I knew it was them!

Re: Islamic Centre burned to the ground by EDL

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 4:31 pm
by Eighthours
This arson attack is exactly the kind of knuckle-dragging, boneheaded crap that the potato-headed EDL would come up with.

Re: Islamic Centre burned to the ground by EDL

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 4:35 pm
by Skarjo
Somebody Else's Problem wrote:Jews! I knew it was them! Even when it was the EDL, I knew it was them!


ANTI SEMITISM FOR SOME.

MINIATURE UNION JACKS FOR THE OTHERS.

Re: Islamic Centre burned to the ground by EDL

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 4:36 pm
by Moggy
Eighthours wrote:This arson attack is exactly the kind of knuckle-dragging, boneheaded crap that the potato-headed Jews/Muslims/Ethnics/Aliens/David Icke would come up with.


Glad you agree with us.

Re: Islamic Centre burned to the ground by EDL

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 4:56 pm
by Cal
Moggy wrote:I am not saying that it is impossible, of course it could have been the Muslims, but it is pretty unlikely. I didn’t see you posting that the “ISLAM” graffiti on the war memorial could have been EDL people or anything like that.


Meaning what, exactly?

Moggy wrote:You are letting your prejudices cloud your judgement here...


And your supercilious tone betrays your intention to stir sh*t. I'm 'prejudiced' because I suggest, quite without malice or misdirection, that it could easily turn out to be an insurance scam? Note that I'm not saying it was, or that it was likely to have been - just that it is not beyond the realm of all possibility (however unlikely) that it could be.

Re: Islamic Centre burned to the ground by EDL

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 4:57 pm
by PCCD
I thought match lighting and petrol pouring was too advanced for EDL members?