Israel-Gaza Conflict

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by <]:^D » Thu Dec 07, 2023 7:27 pm

thank you GD - interesting that Magill says exactly what i criticised them for - her focusing on the free speech protection rather than whether calls for genocide were permissible

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by Return_of_the_STAR » Thu Dec 07, 2023 7:31 pm

Happy Hanukkah everyone. Even those anti-semitics amongst us.

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PostRe: Israel-Gaza Conflict
by Grumpy David » Thu Dec 07, 2023 9:44 pm

<]:^D wrote:thank you GD - interesting that Magill says exactly what i criticised them for - her focusing on the free speech protection rather than whether calls for genocide were permissible


It's so clearly an argument that wouldn't be made if the genocide of any other ethnic minority group was being bellowed on campus by shrieking maniacs which is why even the New York Times of all newspapers was critical of how transparently obvious the faux support for free speech is and how weak the answers were.

I think the paywall kicked in on the previous link so I've linked the no paywall link instead.

Whilst it was a Republican politician doing the grilling, it thankfully didn't get polarising responses from the White House or Democrats who also were highly critical of the answers provided:

“It’s unbelievable that this needs to be said: Calls for genocide are monstrous and antithetical to everything we represent as a country,” said a White House spokesman, Andrew Bates.

Josh Shapiro, the Democratic governor of Pennsylvania, said he found the responses by Elizabeth Magill, Penn’s president, “unacceptable.”

Even the liberal academic Laurence Tribe found himself agreeing with Representative Elise Stefanik, Republican of New York, who sharply questioned Harvard’s president, Claudine Gay:

“I’m no fan of @RepStefanik but I’m with her here,” the Harvard law professor wrote on the social media site X. “Claudine Gay’s hesitant, formulaic, and bizarrely evasive answers were deeply troubling to me and many of my colleagues, students, and friends.”

“It should not be hard to condemn genocide, genocide against Jews, genocide against anyone else,” Governor Shapiro said on Wednesday in a meeting with reporters. “I’ve said many times, leaders have a responsibility to speak and act with moral clarity, and Liz Magill failed to meet that simple test.”

“There should be no nuance to that — she needed to give a one-word answer,” he added.

By Wednesday afternoon, a petition calling for Ms. Magill’s resignation had grown to more than 3,000 signatures. Marc Rowan, the chief of Apollo Global Management and the board chair at the Wharton School of Business at Penn, asked the board of trustees to rescind their support for Ms. Magill.

“How much damage to our reputation are we willing to accept?” he wrote in a letter to the trustees.

Governor Shapiro, who is a nonvoting member of Penn’s board, urged the trustees to meet soon. University sources, speaking on background, said that efforts were underway to hold a board meeting by phone this week. The university did not respond immediately to a request for comment.

Senator Bob Casey, Democrat of Pennsylvania, did not mince words. “President Magill’s comments yesterday were offensive, but equally offensive was what she didn’t say,” he said in a statement. “The right to free speech is fundamental, but calling for the genocide of Jews is antisemitic and harassment, full stop.”

Senator John Fetterman, a Pennsylvania Democrat, described the testimony as “a significant fail.”
“There is no ‘both sides-ism’ and it isn’t ‘free speech,’ it’s simply hate speech,” he said in a statement. “It was embarrassing for a venerable Pennsylvania university, and it should be reflexive for leaders to condemn antisemitism and stand up for the Jewish community or any community facing this kind of invective.”

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PostRe: Israel-Gaza Conflict
by Rocsteady » Fri Dec 08, 2023 8:03 am

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:Happy Hanukkah everyone. Even those anti-semitics amongst us.

:?:

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by Qikz » Fri Dec 08, 2023 8:22 am

I really wish people would realise that this war isn't like supporting football teams, because some people genuinely seem to think it's like that. Nobody should be supporting either major player in this conflict (the Israeli government and Hamas). The current and previous Israeli governments have called for the genocide/erasure of the Palestinian people in the past which is how Hamas managed to get into power in Gaza in the first place, they killed so many innocent people that there was nobody really fit and willing enough to stop Hamas taking over. Hamas have outright called for the genocide of all Israeli's in the past and since they took over have been forwarding rockets/missiles over the Israeli border in the hopes to kill innocent people, they also planned and executed the attack on the 7th of October where many innocent people died.

If you support either side of the war you're supporting some kind of genocide whether you want to admit it or not. The people in here especially who support the Israeli governments position seems to think everyone who thinks their evil supports Hamas. I want to make it perfectly clear that from what I've seen nobody here supports Hamas, people here including myself just thinks the Israeli government should stop their 80 year running ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people in both Gaza and allowing the illegal settlements in the West Bank (which is also leading to deaths of innocent Palestinians). The Israeli government don't need your support, they don't want nor care about your support. The people who need your support are the people who are roped into the war every single day both sides of the borders. The issue is, one side is disproportionaly affected and that's the Palestinian people which is why a lot of people are a lot more sympathetic to their cause. They've been suffering horrifically the last 80 years and over time it's just got worse and worse. They don't even have a legitimate state because the US won't allow them to - think of how ridiculous that is given Palestine was a country long before the UN was a thing and long before Israel was ever established.

You can be against the actions of the Israeli government and it doesn't mean your an anti-semite. The Israeli government does not speak for all Jews and are not a religious government. They hide behind the fact many of them are Jewish to try and block anyone from saying they're doing anything wrong, they're using religion as a shield to protect and allow them to do horrific acts to other people.

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PostRe: Israel-Gaza Conflict
by Moggy » Fri Dec 08, 2023 8:29 am

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:Happy Hanukkah everyone. Even those anti-semitics amongst us.


I'd say you are on shaky ground here as you are somebody who has defended the use of the word "yid" in the recent past.

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PostRe: Israel-Gaza Conflict
by Knoyleo » Fri Dec 08, 2023 9:01 am

Moggy wrote:
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:Happy Hanukkah everyone. Even those anti-semitics amongst us.


I'd say you are on shaky ground here as you are somebody who has defended the use of the word "yid" in the recent past.

Wait, what the strawberry float? :|

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by Moggy » Fri Dec 08, 2023 9:10 am

Knoyleo wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:Happy Hanukkah everyone. Even those anti-semitics amongst us.


I'd say you are on shaky ground here as you are somebody who has defended the use of the word "yid" in the recent past.

Wait, what the strawberry float? :|


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no need to quote Blue Eyes wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Blue Eyes wrote:Dele Alli is a daft wee banana split isn't he? What was he thinking?


He’s thick as gooseberry fool.

He should get a ban for that. And Tottenham should come out and condemn his silly actions rather than stay silent unlike how they tend to pronounce on Jews how they should feel about their racially dodgy chant.


https://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/up-to-half-of-jewish-spurs-fans-want-to-get-rid-of-yid/

66% of Jewish spurs use the term YID. It’s a complicated matter really. In my experience those offended aren’t actually Jewish.



Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
no need to quote Drummy here wrote:
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:Personally I think Yid does not have as negative a background behind it as the other words mentioned.

With respect, your opinion is irrelevant to a degree. If there's Jews out there that do find it offense, the terms should cease to be used.


That’s a very vague statement. How far do you go with who finds what offensive? We are reaching the point where we soon won’t be able to use many slang words.

I agree my opinion is irrelevant which is why I pointed out that I don’t use the term and don’t think a non Jewish person should. The difficulty here is that a lot of Jewish spurs supporters use it.

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PostRe: Israel-Gaza Conflict
by Knoyleo » Fri Dec 08, 2023 9:24 am

Oof.

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PostRe: Israel-Gaza Conflict
by Moggy » Fri Dec 08, 2023 9:43 am

Knoyleo wrote:Oof.


To be fair, the Tottenham thing was mild compared to this:

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Knoyleo wrote:I just find it odd, is all, nobody comments on any of the other photos with "christian princess" or "atheist princess".


I think it's because we expect Jewish girls to have huge noses, black curly hair and nasally voices. So it's a pleasant surprise when they are attractive.

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PostRe: Israel-Gaza Conflict
by Return_of_the_STAR » Fri Dec 08, 2023 2:21 pm

I’m a proud member of the Yid Army.

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PostRe: Israel-Gaza Conflict
by Knoyleo » Fri Dec 08, 2023 2:22 pm

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:I agree my opinion is irrelevant which is why I pointed out that I don’t use the term and don’t think a non Jewish person should. The difficulty here is that a lot of Jewish spurs supporters use it.

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:I’m a proud member of the Yid Army.


You been on the sauce, RotS?

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by Return_of_the_STAR » Fri Dec 08, 2023 2:24 pm

Knoyleo wrote:
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:I agree my opinion is irrelevant which is why I pointed out that I don’t use the term and don’t think a non Jewish person should. The difficulty here is that a lot of Jewish spurs supporters use it.

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:I’m a proud member of the Yid Army.


You been on the sauce, RotS?


Nope. I’ve change my mind over the years, as we are all entitled to and I’m happy to be part of the Yid Army.

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PostRe: Israel-Gaza Conflict
by Return_of_the_STAR » Fri Dec 08, 2023 2:27 pm

Rocsteady wrote:
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:Happy Hanukkah everyone. Even those anti-semitics amongst us.

:?:

Heavy 'inbox me hun xx' vibes, just call them out if you think someone here is am antisemite.


No thanks, why would I want them to inbox me? They know who they are.

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PostRe: Israel-Gaza Conflict
by Return_of_the_STAR » Fri Dec 08, 2023 2:28 pm

Moggy wrote:
Knoyleo wrote:Oof.


To be fair, the Tottenham thing was mild compared to this:

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
Knoyleo wrote:I just find it odd, is all, nobody comments on any of the other photos with "christian princess" or "atheist princess".


I think it's because we expect Jewish girls to have huge noses, black curly hair and nasally voices. So it's a pleasant surprise when they are attractive.


I mean that was sarcasm. Which is my main humour but I appreciate its very difficult to read and understand in word form.

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by Moggy » Fri Dec 08, 2023 2:39 pm

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Knoyleo wrote:Oof.


To be fair, the Tottenham thing was mild compared to this:

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
Knoyleo wrote:I just find it odd, is all, nobody comments on any of the other photos with "christian princess" or "atheist princess".


I think it's because we expect Jewish girls to have huge noses, black curly hair and nasally voices. So it's a pleasant surprise when they are attractive.


I mean that was sarcasm. Which is my main humour but I appreciate its very difficult to read and understand in word form.


Of course it was.

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PostRe: Israel-Gaza Conflict
by Return_of_the_STAR » Fri Dec 08, 2023 3:02 pm

Moggy wrote:
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Knoyleo wrote:Oof.


To be fair, the Tottenham thing was mild compared to this:

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
Knoyleo wrote:I just find it odd, is all, nobody comments on any of the other photos with "christian princess" or "atheist princess".


I think it's because we expect Jewish girls to have huge noses, black curly hair and nasally voices. So it's a pleasant surprise when they are attractive.


I mean that was sarcasm. Which is my main humour but I appreciate its very difficult to read and understand in word form.


Of course it was.


Well I'm glad you understand then.

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PostRe: Israel-Gaza Conflict
by Moggy » Fri Dec 08, 2023 3:06 pm

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Knoyleo wrote:Oof.


To be fair, the Tottenham thing was mild compared to this:

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
Knoyleo wrote:I just find it odd, is all, nobody comments on any of the other photos with "christian princess" or "atheist princess".


I think it's because we expect Jewish girls to have huge noses, black curly hair and nasally voices. So it's a pleasant surprise when they are attractive.


I mean that was sarcasm. Which is my main humour but I appreciate its very difficult to read and understand in word form.


Of course it was.


Well I'm glad you understand then.


Oops. Looks like you failed to understand my sarcasm.

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by Return_of_the_STAR » Fri Dec 08, 2023 5:11 pm

Moggy wrote:
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Knoyleo wrote:Oof.


To be fair, the Tottenham thing was mild compared to this:

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
Knoyleo wrote:I just find it odd, is all, nobody comments on any of the other photos with "christian princess" or "atheist princess".


I think it's because we expect Jewish girls to have huge noses, black curly hair and nasally voices. So it's a pleasant surprise when they are attractive.


I mean that was sarcasm. Which is my main humour but I appreciate its very difficult to read and understand in word form.


Of course it was.


Well I'm glad you understand then.


Oops. Looks like you failed to understand my sarcasm.


No no I understood it very well.

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PostRe: Israel-Gaza Conflict
by Hexx » Fri Dec 08, 2023 6:02 pm

UN talk going exactly as expected. Israel calling any calls for ceasefire only prolong this fighting.

Palestine and its allies floating obvious war crimes and demanding end to Israel exceptionalism.


USA has just said it doesn’t back ceasefire but even it has been forced to acknowledge Israel hasn’t been meeting its obligations to protect civilians. Theres no consequences for this of course, but it’s a move in the right direction.

In that note it seems Israel is now treating any military aged males in what it defines as zones Hamas fighters. After all civilians would have moved.


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