Israel-Gaza Conflict

Carlos wrote:It’s one thing to call for a Palestinian state but what I can’t get my head around is why nobody, not even the USA seems to be calling for the surrender of Hamas.

Surely the only way for the war to end is the removal of both sets of aggressors, in this case Netanyahu and Hama?

Control of the West Bank should be handed over to neighbouring states with more of a neutral stance such as Jordan until such time as the currently corrupt government can be removed. It should not be a western state that has control.

Gaza needs investment to rebuild it. Control could pop potentially be temporarily segued to Egypt whilst the USA gets an international council together, controlled by more moderate, richer Arab status into seeing the potential for the area. Based on location alone Gaza could be rebuilt into a new Dubai of sorts.

This is all very "benevolent colonialism".

The solution to Palestinian self determination is not to hand control over to yet another state. Those "neutral" neighbouring states will still have their own agendas and interests in Palestine which they'll put ahead of those of actual Palestinians.

A new Dubai?

What a strawberry floating nightmare. Dubai is barely sustainable as it is, and is set for long term collapse. It's a playground for the mega rich, while everyone else is swept away. Guarantee any foreign investment put into turning Gaza into anything like that would just see the Palestinians living there forcibly relocated yet again.

Remove occupation, and you would do more than any other action could achieve to reduce the appetite for Hamas in the population.

Carlos wrote:It’s one thing to call for a Palestinian state but what I can’t get my head around is why nobody, not even the USA seems to be calling for the surrender of Hamas.

Surely the only way for the war to end is the removal of both sets of aggressors, in this case Netanyahu and Hama?

I'm pretty sure that 'Hamas should surrender' in implied by their status as a terrorist group.

Skarjo wrote:

Carlos wrote:It’s one thing to call for a Palestinian state but what I can’t get my head around is why nobody, not even the USA seems to be calling for the surrender of Hamas.

Surely the only way for the war to end is the removal of both sets of aggressors, in this case Netanyahu and Hama?

I'm pretty sure that 'Hamas should surrender' in implied by their status as a terrorist group.

Plus, the US has called for the surrender of Hamas plenty of times.

Cuttooth wrote:Some of the images following the strike on the refugee camp in Rafah yesterday are some of the worst you'll ever see.
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There's some horrific imagery coming out and the stories too. I keep seeing it reported in the press as "shocking".
Why? It's exactly what every rationale party warned and knew would happen when Israel continues it's campaign.

Cameron has called for a swift and thorough investigation, not a stop to the extermination

As a reminder



Still at least the BBC are clear in who's responsible

Watched some of the footage from Rafah over the weekend, posted by Motaz over on Instagram. Just absolutely the worst scenes, that'll live with me for a while. Not unexpected, given the IOF's behavior to date, but still some of the most awful gooseberry fool it's done lately.

It's ok guys! Israel have checked and it wasn't their fault

Israeli army says it used small munitions in Rafah airstrike, and fire was caused by secondary blast
The Israeli military says an initial investigation into a strike that sparked a deadly weekend fire in a tent camp in the southern Gaza city of Rafah has found the blaze was caused by a secondary explosion.

Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari, the chief military spokesman, said Tuesday that the military fired two 17-kilogram (37-pound) munitions that targeted two senior Hamas militants. He said the munitions would have been too small to ignite a fire on their own and the military is looking into the possibility that weapons were stored in the area.

Palestinian health officials say at least 45 people, around half of them women and children, were killed in Sunday’s strike. The fire also could have ignited fuel, cooking gas canisters or other materials in the densely populated camp housing displaced people

Hope everyone remembered to share the weird AI image on Instagram.

What image?

The ‘ALL EYES ON RAFAH’ one. 44m people have added it to their feeds, last I checked.

I haven't seen any of that to be honest.

I did though just finish reading this joint Guardian, +972, and Local Call investigation into how the former director of Mossad personally persisted in trying to intimidate the previous ICC prosecutor with veiled threats against her and her family, due to her push to open investigations into Israeli war crimes within Palestinian territories.

Worth a few minutes of anyone's time.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/artic ... es-inquiry

speedboatchase wrote:The ‘ALL EYES ON RAFAH’ one. 44m people have added it to their feeds, last I checked.

There are 2.4billion Instagram users. I'm not sure why a tiny percentage of them sharing an image opposing war crimes is an issue.

I think it says something about what the average person (and plenty of my friends who have never expressed any political opinion on any topic posted the image) feels comfortable with sharing.

There’s also no specific call to action, e.g. raise funds here, read this. It reminds me of when people just did the Ice Bucket Challenge and never mentioned donations, ALS.

To quote an article on Middle East Eye:

‘Its viral impact was met with mixed reactions by social media users, with some noting that videos from Rafah shared by Palestinian journalists were ignored in favour of a more "sanitised" image that inaccurately depicts Rafah as a calm tent city surrounded by mountains.

‘"Palestinian journalists have been risking their lives for months to document every single massacre and instead people are reposting an ai-generated 'art' that says 'all eyes on Rafah' and tells us nothing about what is actually happening on the ground or gives us any action items," wrote one user on X.

‘"It seems somewhat jarring to call for attention using a fake, sanitised image rather than using the real, shocking imagery out of Rafah?" questioned another.’

I don't think social media is lacking graphic on the front lines content. I just saw a baby with their face missing on my lunch break.

Moggy wrote:

speedboatchase wrote:The ‘ALL EYES ON RAFAH’ one. 44m people have added it to their feeds, last I checked.

There are 2.4billion Instagram users. I'm not sure why a tiny percentage of them sharing an image opposing war crimes is an issue.

Because you can post it in the off topic section of a video game forum to derail discussion of Israeli atrocities.

And I would’ve gotten away with it too, if it wasn’t for that meddling Winckle!

I’m not intending to derail anything. What happened in Rafah last week was horrific and obviously inexcusable. I was posting to talk about a social media phenomenon that occurred in response to it and was interesting to me in terms of how pro-Palestine protestors are receiving it.

speedboatchase wrote:And I would’ve gotten away with it too, if it wasn’t for that meddling Winckle!

I’m not intending to derail anything. What happened in Rafah last week was horrific and obviously inexcusable. I was posting to talk about a social media phenomenon that occurred in response to it and was interesting to me in terms of how pro-Palestine protestors are receiving it.

Your post only had quotes from two (unnamed) Twitter users plus a vague paragraph about social media having a "mixed reaction" to it.

Moggy wrote:

speedboatchase wrote:And I would’ve gotten away with it too, if it wasn’t for that meddling Winckle!

I’m not intending to derail anything. What happened in Rafah last week was horrific and obviously inexcusable. I was posting to talk about a social media phenomenon that occurred in response to it and was interesting to me in terms of how pro-Palestine protestors are receiving it.

Your post only had quotes from two (unnamed) Twitter users plus a vague paragraph about social media having a "mixed reaction" to it.

Fair.

Here’s the URL if people want to read the article: https://www.middleeasteye.net/trending/war-gaza-why-viral-eyes-rafah-graphic-sparked-anger

speedboatchase wrote:

Moggy wrote:

speedboatchase wrote:And I would’ve gotten away with it too, if it wasn’t for that meddling Winckle!

I’m not intending to derail anything. What happened in Rafah last week was horrific and obviously inexcusable. I was posting to talk about a social media phenomenon that occurred in response to it and was interesting to me in terms of how pro-Palestine protestors are receiving it.

Your post only had quotes from two (unnamed) Twitter users plus a vague paragraph about social media having a "mixed reaction" to it.

Fair.

Here’s the URL if people want to read the article: https://www.middleeasteye.net/trending/war-gaza-why-viral-eyes-rafah-graphic-sparked-anger

Ahh, now that I know what "la lesbian fight club" thinks, I agree that social media should just be awash with photos of mutilated kids.

The Israeli government (via a paid advert!) are telling the world that every Gazan is fair game.

44m people have shared 'All eyes on Rafa' Moggy so it's the same thing from both sides.