Israel-Gaza Conflict

Some wild stats from Gazans: https://www.pcpsr.org/en/node/980.

80% report a relative who was injured or killed
66% support the October 7 attack
90% believe Hamas did not commit any atrocities on October 7
48% believe Hamas will win the war
60% support the dissolution of the PA



There’s loads in there. Well worth a read.

Moggy wrote:

The Israeli government (via a paid advert!) are telling the world that every Gazan is fair game.

They're priming the public for something.

Israel's finance minister Smotrich has said he wants Palestinian bodies to be dragged through the streets on carts National security minister Ben Gvir has said his vision is to conquer Gaza and go to war with Hezbollah. Netanyahu has said that the war won't end until Hamas is destroyed.

They're running ads like that saying there are no innocents in Gaza, pretty much stating that they consider everyone in Gaza to be Hamas. There is only one end to this. A final solution.

Alvin Flummux wrote:

Moggy wrote:

The Israeli government (via a paid advert!) are telling the world that every Gazan is fair game.

They're priming the public for something.

Israel's finance minister Smotrich has said he wants Palestinian bodies to be dragged through the streets on carts National security minister Ben Gvir has said his vision is to conquer Gaza and go to war with Hezbollah. Netanyahu has said that the war won't end until Hamas is destroyed.

They're running ads like that saying there are no innocents in Gaza, pretty much stating that they consider everyone in Gaza to be Hamas. There is only one end to this. A final solution.

I am 15 and this is deep.

Seriously though, do you really believe Israel is going to kill millions of Palestinians or do you just like comparing Jews to Nazis?

Why can’t we just agree this situation is terrible and the IDF is not taking enough measures to limit civilian casualties? Do you compare every conflict to the Holocaust?

I know I’m talking to adults who enjoy Ms Marvel but even a few months ago there seemed to be an understanding that Holocaust comparisons were suss.

speedboatchase wrote:

Alvin Flummux wrote:

Moggy wrote:

The Israeli government (via a paid advert!) are telling the world that every Gazan is fair game.

They're priming the public for something.

Israel's finance minister Smotrich has said he wants Palestinian bodies to be dragged through the streets on carts National security minister Ben Gvir has said his vision is to conquer Gaza and go to war with Hezbollah. Netanyahu has said that the war won't end until Hamas is destroyed.

They're running ads like that saying there are no innocents in Gaza, pretty much stating that they consider everyone in Gaza to be Hamas. There is only one end to this. A final solution.

I am 15 and this is deep.

Seriously though, do you really believe Israel is going to kill millions of Palestinians or do you just like comparing Jews to Nazis?

Why can’t we just agree this situation is terrible and the IDF is not taking enough measures to limit civilian casualties? Do you compare every conflict to the Holocaust?

I know I’m talking to adults who enjoy Ms Marvel but even a few months ago there seemed to be an understanding that Holocaust comparisons were suss.

Condescending banana split.

I do think Alvin's overegging it in that phrasing though.

speedboatchase wrote:

Alvin Flummux wrote:

Moggy wrote:

The Israeli government (via a paid advert!) are telling the world that every Gazan is fair game.

They're priming the public for something.

Israel's finance minister Smotrich has said he wants Palestinian bodies to be dragged through the streets on carts National security minister Ben Gvir has said his vision is to conquer Gaza and go to war with Hezbollah. Netanyahu has said that the war won't end until Hamas is destroyed.

They're running ads like that saying there are no innocents in Gaza, pretty much stating that they consider everyone in Gaza to be Hamas. There is only one end to this. A final solution.

I am 15 and this is deep.

Seriously though, do you really believe Israel is going to kill millions of Palestinians or do you just like comparing Jews to Nazis?

Why can’t we just agree this situation is terrible and the IDF is not taking enough measures to limit civilian casualties? Do you compare every conflict to the Holocaust?

I know I’m talking to adults who enjoy Ms Marvel but even a few months ago there seemed to be an understanding that Holocaust comparisons were suss.

Does that sneering condescension make you feel good?

Btw, the "comparing Jews to Nazis" line makes you sound like a post 9/11 Republican screaming about anti-Americanism while eating their Freedom Fries.

I thought it was wrong to conflate Israel with Jews in general.

Plus he’s right. Holocaust comparisons aren’t really valid.

The Nazis largely tried to hid what they were ultimately doing.

Israel’s proudly boasting about it on the world stage.

speedboatchase wrote:

Alvin Flummux wrote:

Moggy wrote:

The Israeli government (via a paid advert!) are telling the world that every Gazan is fair game.

They're priming the public for something.

Israel's finance minister Smotrich has said he wants Palestinian bodies to be dragged through the streets on carts National security minister Ben Gvir has said his vision is to conquer Gaza and go to war with Hezbollah. Netanyahu has said that the war won't end until Hamas is destroyed.

They're running ads like that saying there are no innocents in Gaza, pretty much stating that they consider everyone in Gaza to be Hamas. There is only one end to this. A final solution.

I am 15 and this is deep.

Seriously though, do you really believe Israel is going to kill millions of Palestinians or do you just like comparing Jews to Nazis?

Why can’t we just agree this situation is terrible and the IDF is not taking enough measures to limit civilian casualties? Do you compare every conflict to the Holocaust?

I know I’m talking to adults who enjoy Ms Marvel but even a few months ago there seemed to be an understanding that Holocaust comparisons were suss.

Mate this is a pathetic post, come on now

Moggy wrote:

speedboatchase wrote:

Alvin Flummux wrote:

Moggy wrote:

The Israeli government (via a paid advert!) are telling the world that every Gazan is fair game.

They're priming the public for something.

Israel's finance minister Smotrich has said he wants Palestinian bodies to be dragged through the streets on carts National security minister Ben Gvir has said his vision is to conquer Gaza and go to war with Hezbollah. Netanyahu has said that the war won't end until Hamas is destroyed.

They're running ads like that saying there are no innocents in Gaza, pretty much stating that they consider everyone in Gaza to be Hamas. There is only one end to this. A final solution.

I am 15 and this is deep.

Seriously though, do you really believe Israel is going to kill millions of Palestinians or do you just like comparing Jews to Nazis?

Why can’t we just agree this situation is terrible and the IDF is not taking enough measures to limit civilian casualties? Do you compare every conflict to the Holocaust?

I know I’m talking to adults who enjoy Ms Marvel but even a few months ago there seemed to be an understanding that Holocaust comparisons were suss.

Does that sneering condescension make you feel good?

Btw, the "comparing Jews to Nazis" line makes you sound like a post 9/11 Republican screaming about anti-Americanism while eating their Freedom Fries.

It's the "I am 15" bit that gets me. Noone on this forum is under 35 lol

speedboatchase wrote:

Alvin Flummux wrote:

Moggy wrote:

The Israeli government (via a paid advert!) are telling the world that every Gazan is fair game.

They're priming the public for something.

Israel's finance minister Smotrich has said he wants Palestinian bodies to be dragged through the streets on carts National security minister Ben Gvir has said his vision is to conquer Gaza and go to war with Hezbollah. Netanyahu has said that the war won't end until Hamas is destroyed.

They're running ads like that saying there are no innocents in Gaza, pretty much stating that they consider everyone in Gaza to be Hamas. There is only one end to this. A final solution.

I am 15 and this is deep.

Seriously though, do you really believe Israel is going to kill millions of Palestinians or do you just like comparing Jews to Nazis?

Why can’t we just agree this situation is terrible and the IDF is not taking enough measures to limit civilian casualties? Do you compare every conflict to the Holocaust?

I know I’m talking to adults who enjoy Ms Marvel but even a few months ago there seemed to be an understanding that Holocaust comparisons were suss.

Not a great post. Let's keep the debate civil and intelligent please.

speedboatchase wrote:

Alvin Flummux wrote:

Moggy wrote:

The Israeli government (via a paid advert!) are telling the world that every Gazan is fair game.

They're priming the public for something.

Israel's finance minister Smotrich has said he wants Palestinian bodies to be dragged through the streets on carts National security minister Ben Gvir has said his vision is to conquer Gaza and go to war with Hezbollah. Netanyahu has said that the war won't end until Hamas is destroyed.

They're running ads like that saying there are no innocents in Gaza, pretty much stating that they consider everyone in Gaza to be Hamas. There is only one end to this. A final solution.

I am 15 and this is deep.

Seriously though, do you really believe Israel is going to kill millions of Palestinians or do you just like comparing Jews to Nazis?

Why can’t we just agree this situation is terrible and the IDF is not taking enough measures to limit civilian casualties? Do you compare every conflict to the Holocaust?

I know I’m talking to adults who enjoy Ms Marvel but even a few months ago there seemed to be an understanding that Holocaust comparisons were suss.

Yet you choose to continue visiting and posting here. Interesting.

speedboatchase wrote:

Alvin Flummux wrote:

Moggy wrote:

The Israeli government (via a paid advert!) are telling the world that every Gazan is fair game.

They're priming the public for something.

Israel's finance minister Smotrich has said he wants Palestinian bodies to be dragged through the streets on carts National security minister Ben Gvir has said his vision is to conquer Gaza and go to war with Hezbollah. Netanyahu has said that the war won't end until Hamas is destroyed.

They're running ads like that saying there are no innocents in Gaza, pretty much stating that they consider everyone in Gaza to be Hamas. There is only one end to this. A final solution.

I am 15 and this is deep.

Seriously though, do you really believe Israel is going to kill millions of Palestinians or do you just like comparing Jews to Nazis?

Why can’t we just agree this situation is terrible and the IDF is not taking enough measures to limit civilian casualties? Do you compare every conflict to the Holocaust?

I know I’m talking to adults who enjoy Ms Marvel but even a few months ago there seemed to be an understanding that Holocaust comparisons were suss.

Congratulations, in 21 years of browsing GR and its predecessors on and off, this might be the most condescending post I've ever read. People might engage with you more in good faith if you weren't such a twat about the points you make.

strawberry floating hell it wasn't that bad.

Holpil wrote:strawberry floating hell it wasn't that bad.

Yes it was, for me, though the point was more that the forum is generally fairly respectful so things like this stick out like a sore thumb. In equal terms calling Alvin a child/implying he can't construct an adult argument while also making fairly offensive implications about the tastes of the wider forum. As Tomous said, it's pathetic, and for me it's a bullying way to make a point that wasn't completely unreasonable. As Rocsteady said, a comparison to the final solution is over the top, but neither is treating a forumite like that. It's actually really annoyed me.

EDIT: Err, if you meant Ms Marvel there then my bad.

RetroCora wrote: As Rocsteady said, a comparison to the final solution is over the top, but neither is treating a forumite like that. It's actually really annoyed me.

Correct.

Let's also keep the hyperbole in check. This is a complicated and emotional subject I am sure you will all agree, and it's important that people feel they are able to express their views without immediatley being classed as Nazis.

Speeboat-chase is a horrible person all told.

Oh, I M O.

Neo Cortex wrote:It's the "I am 15" bit that gets me. Noone on this forum is under 35 lol

I know at least 3 posters are 33, me included so we're not all over 35

Qikz wrote:

Neo Cortex wrote:It's the "I am 15" bit that gets me. Noone on this forum is under 35 lol

I know at least 3 posters are 33, me included so we're not all over 35

33 club represent!

33 looks remarkably like SS when speed reading past.

Coincidence?

We'd be an intellectual forum that only discussed 19th century literature if it wasn't for those damn 33 year olds dragging us down with their love of Ms Marvel

Benzin wrote:

Qikz wrote:

Neo Cortex wrote:It's the "I am 15" bit that gets me. Noone on this forum is under 35 lol

I know at least 3 posters are 33, me included so we're not all over 35

33 club represent!

4 then!

I'm 34 next month and the other 2 also turn 34 next month as well I think but let's gloss over that.

Hexx wrote:33 looks remarkably like SS when speed reading past.

Coincidence?