Israel-Gaza Conflict

Qikz wrote:These horrible things are happening to all of us here in Gaza

"but Hamas?"

That's the issue. They're ignoring that the normal people of Palestine are having issues and just pushing the Hamas issue constantly.

Knoyleo wrote:"massive"

speedboatchase wrote:

Knoyleo wrote:"massive"

Do you have a point that you're ready to make?

Knoyleo wrote:

speedboatchase wrote:

Knoyleo wrote:"massive"

Do you have a point that you're ready to make?

That you're exaggerating how widely held this unequivocally pro-Hamas viewpoint is.

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Moggy wrote:

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Rawrgna wrote:Surely theres a way to support The plight of the innocent Palistinian citizens who have been dragged onto this without being branded a Hamas Sympathiser.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CyNjJYoOYrZ/

Not really. If you don't support Hamas, you're not really a Palestinian or a supporter of their cause, according to the above influencer and many, many others. For many, being a Hamas sympathiser is a badge of honour. They aren't denying it.

Who is he and why is it important what he thinks?

There's an entire ecosystem of Islamist content churning out daily content across TikTok and Instagram, with very well-known influencers among that sphere. They are unequivocally pro-Hamas and they're not what people might expect (e.g. someone older, angrier, wearing traditional dress). They're young, slick, extremely media-savvy and often were raised in the West.

My basic point is that the comfortable argument is that people who support the Palestinian cause right now are being unfairly branded pro-Hamas. That's obviously happening but what's uncomfortable is how many people with vast audiences on Tik Tok and elsewhere who are spreading Hamas talking points and propaganda not just apologetically, but with the inference that any lack of Hamas support makes one suspect.

That guy's a stupid banana split but I still don't really get the point of posting him. I could find any number of fairly well supported pro-Israeli dickheads who take a gooseberry fool viewpoint as well.

As I said earlier, because people are beginning to frame a comfortable narrative that Western media is invoking Hamas support with support for the Palestinian cause. I'm demonstrating that Hamas support is massive and unequivocal among many.

I don't think you have demonstrated that. Some guy nobody has ever heard of making an Instagram video doesn't really demonstrate anything.

He has just under 1 million subscribers, but it's not at all clear that that means 1 million people support him.

I'm not sure what the prescribed goals were that I needed to meet (e.g. why should I have expected you to have heard of him? He had a video from Sat that had 8.9m views, so his influence is large) in order to offer the perspective that Hamas has massive, unequivocal support across the world, especially among younger, media-savvy audiences. You can choose to disbelieve if you wish. As I mentioned, it's very easy for people to lapse into the 'supporters of the Palestinian cause are being labelled Hamas supporters' narrative of days past rather than absorb that many are happy with that label and are judging others for lacking what they deem full-throated support.

Having worked in Qatar for nearly 7 years, I lived in a world where Islamist perspectives were well-funded, encouraged and offered without equivocation. The same narratives pop up on my timelines a lot since they're being retweeted/reposted by former colleagues and mutual friends.

it's comfortable to lapse into the 'supporters of the Palestinian cause are being labelled Hamas supporters'

choose to disbelieve that many are happy to offer that support.

speedboatchase wrote: that many are happy with that label .

Hexx wrote:

speedboatchase wrote: that many are happy with that label .

And? That would not be entirely surprising? Groups fighting against the oppressor/occupier have often enjoyed support for their cause, with or without endorsing methods.

Many were happy to support the Irish in the early 1900, the Vietnamese, Cambodians, Pakistan, The Irish again, Kuwaits,

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Moggy wrote:I fail to see how withholding water is anything other than an action targeted at innocent civilians.

Unless Israel is scared that Hamas might start throwing waterbombs?

More details about deadly settler attack on Qusra in West Bank

We have more details about the wide-scale attack launched by Israeli settlers on the village of Qusra, south of Nablus.

According to Fuad Hassan, an activist from the village, both settlers and soldiers are firing live rounds on Palestinians.

The army is not allowing ambulances to reach the injured, he told Al Jazeera.

So far, three Palestinians have been killed and six others people have been injured:

A 24-year-old man was hit in the abdomen with live ammunition.
A six-year-old girl was hit in the shoulder with live ammunition.
Three others were hit in the upper body with live ammunition.
A Palestinian was hit in the neck and taken to Salfit hospital.

Met wrote:

On the bright side you can simply dance to aid the war effort.

Qikz wrote:https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/10/10/israel-hamas-war-live-us-redoubles-israel-support-as-bombs-rain-on-gaza

In case anyone even for a second doubted the actions of Israel were anything but acts of senseless violence people in the West Bank are under attack from Israeli settlers and the army which is completely unconnected to Gaza and everything going on there. This is western sanctioned genocide.

More details about deadly settler attack on Qusra in West Bank

We have more details about the wide-scale attack launched by Israeli settlers on the village of Qusra, south of Nablus.

According to Fuad Hassan, an activist from the village, both settlers and soldiers are firing live rounds on Palestinians.

The army is not allowing ambulances to reach the injured, he told Al Jazeera.

So far, three Palestinians have been killed and six others people have been injured:

A 24-year-old man was hit in the abdomen with live ammunition.
A six-year-old girl was hit in the shoulder with live ammunition.
Three others were hit in the upper body with live ammunition.
A Palestinian was hit in the neck and taken to Salfit hospital.

Met wrote:

On the bright side you can simply dance to aid the war effort.

Gaza will be reduced to ‘city of tents’, vows Israeli official
Gaza is going to be razed to the ground, an Israeli defence official has vowed as they warned it will be reduced to “a city of tents”.

The security official told Channel 13 News no buildings will remain in the region, saying, “Gaza will eventually turn into a city of tents.”

speedboatchase wrote:

Qikz wrote:https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/10/10/israel-hamas-war-live-us-redoubles-israel-support-as-bombs-rain-on-gaza

In case anyone even for a second doubted the actions of Israel were anything but acts of senseless violence people in the West Bank are under attack from Israeli settlers and the army which is completely unconnected to Gaza and everything going on there. This is western sanctioned genocide.

More details about deadly settler attack on Qusra in West Bank

We have more details about the wide-scale attack launched by Israeli settlers on the village of Qusra, south of Nablus.

According to Fuad Hassan, an activist from the village, both settlers and soldiers are firing live rounds on Palestinians.

The army is not allowing ambulances to reach the injured, he told Al Jazeera.

So far, three Palestinians have been killed and six others people have been injured:

A 24-year-old man was hit in the abdomen with live ammunition.
A six-year-old girl was hit in the shoulder with live ammunition.
Three others were hit in the upper body with live ammunition.
A Palestinian was hit in the neck and taken to Salfit hospital.

As with the ‘beheaded babies’ story, let’s keep our media literacy caps on. A single source but no link to the ‘activist’, reported by Hamas-funding Qatar, needs a bit more fact-checking imo.

Qikz wrote:

speedboatchase wrote:

Qikz wrote:https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/10/10/israel-hamas-war-live-us-redoubles-israel-support-as-bombs-rain-on-gaza

In case anyone even for a second doubted the actions of Israel were anything but acts of senseless violence people in the West Bank are under attack from Israeli settlers and the army which is completely unconnected to Gaza and everything going on there. This is western sanctioned genocide.

More details about deadly settler attack on Qusra in West Bank

We have more details about the wide-scale attack launched by Israeli settlers on the village of Qusra, south of Nablus.

According to Fuad Hassan, an activist from the village, both settlers and soldiers are firing live rounds on Palestinians.

The army is not allowing ambulances to reach the injured, he told Al Jazeera.

So far, three Palestinians have been killed and six others people have been injured:

A 24-year-old man was hit in the abdomen with live ammunition.
A six-year-old girl was hit in the shoulder with live ammunition.
Three others were hit in the upper body with live ammunition.
A Palestinian was hit in the neck and taken to Salfit hospital.

As with the ‘beheaded babies’ story, let’s keep our media literacy caps on. A single source but no link to the ‘activist’, reported by Hamas-funding Qatar, needs a bit more fact-checking imo.

Dude come on this is Aljazeera, they're one of the only sources who's actually saying what's actually going on without the media taint that Israel seem to paint on absolutely everything. I'm not sure why you're so dead set on believing everything Israel is doing is correct, but they're literally committing war crimes in front of your eyes and even the government there are outwardly saying so. Open your eyes man.

Grumpy David wrote:
One of the things that I've seen get mentioned / criticised is the use of the word 'militant' instead of terrorist.

BBC style guide for it is here:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsstyleguide/t

Foreign Secretary James Cleverly and Culture Secretary Lucy Frazer have also urged the broadcaster to revise its policy, while Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer said the BBC "needs to explain why it isn't" using that word.

"I said 'terrorism' and 'terrorist', and to me that's obviously what we are witnessing," Mr Starmer told LBC.

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